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	<title>Comments on: Like The War On Some Drugs? Thank Dems&#8217; VP Pick Senator Joe Biden!</title>
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		<title>By: deep blue sea</title>
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		<dc:creator>deep blue sea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leaving florida soon (lfs) has it exactly right...on a bad day Biden is Palpatine. I&#039;m not sure if Obama is Anakin or a male Padme, but whatever the case I think Biden will use him.

Unfortunately Biden may also use fear around &quot;safety&quot; and &quot;order&quot; to create more than just bad drug laws, especially if we get into a bigger holy war in the Middle East (even if we don&#039;t think it&#039;s one, the Taliban surely do), and most especially if he becomes President.

However, for what it&#039;s worth I think Palin is the Wicked Witch of the West and, if elected, McCain will soon be Nikko (the captain of the winged monkeys). Look for the scene where she is pointing and screaming orders at him while he is holding the basket. 

To bring it home: Your neighbors may soon visit you in the guise either of winged monkeys or storm troopers. What an option, eh? As usual the choice is between bad and worse.

On the other hand, maybe both parties _would_ respond to a giant, peaceful march in Washington. After all, these leaders are people in reality, not actually movie characters. Let them know how you feel, no matter who gets elected. They need to know to their cores that most people want fewer people in jail.

Being the land of the free with the most people in jail is a contradiction that surely should end soon in favor of freedom.

And these VP candidates are at the center of the issue. Soon one or the other will need to be helped (by a general outcry) to understand that to be reelected they need to align themselves with the majority (who support free choice in practice if not in name). Add your voice to make sure we are heard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leaving florida soon (lfs) has it exactly right&#8230;on a bad day Biden is Palpatine. I&#8217;m not sure if Obama is Anakin or a male Padme, but whatever the case I think Biden will use him.</p>
<p>Unfortunately Biden may also use fear around &#8220;safety&#8221; and &#8220;order&#8221; to create more than just bad drug laws, especially if we get into a bigger holy war in the Middle East (even if we don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s one, the Taliban surely do), and most especially if he becomes President.</p>
<p>However, for what it&#8217;s worth I think Palin is the Wicked Witch of the West and, if elected, McCain will soon be Nikko (the captain of the winged monkeys). Look for the scene where she is pointing and screaming orders at him while he is holding the basket. </p>
<p>To bring it home: Your neighbors may soon visit you in the guise either of winged monkeys or storm troopers. What an option, eh? As usual the choice is between bad and worse.</p>
<p>On the other hand, maybe both parties _would_ respond to a giant, peaceful march in Washington. After all, these leaders are people in reality, not actually movie characters. Let them know how you feel, no matter who gets elected. They need to know to their cores that most people want fewer people in jail.</p>
<p>Being the land of the free with the most people in jail is a contradiction that surely should end soon in favor of freedom.</p>
<p>And these VP candidates are at the center of the issue. Soon one or the other will need to be helped (by a general outcry) to understand that to be reelected they need to align themselves with the majority (who support free choice in practice if not in name). Add your voice to make sure we are heard!</p>
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		<title>By: ObamaIsOurONLYHope</title>
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		<dc:creator>ObamaIsOurONLYHope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t vote third party.

Bob Barr and Cynthia McKinney might be more principled than Obama, but if we&#039;re going to end the war on drugs we need to be practical. Obama is the only candidate who has voiced support for decriminalization. There was that one time he didn&#039;t say he supported it. But it turned out that he wasn&#039;t sure if they just meant removing penalties for responsible use or legalizing sale. While we&#039;d like to see a legalized, regulated system of sale removing penalties for adult use is a huge step in the right direction that would quickly lead to that. Remember we have treaty obligations. Obama probably wants to change the treaty before legalizing sale.

Biden actually will boost Obama&#039;s influence if Obama does decide to support the bill. Even if Biden still supports the war on drugs he won&#039;t want to undermine the president if he&#039;s vp, and Biden&#039;s change genuine or not from supporting the war on drugs to opposing it will convince a lot of people because of his past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t vote third party.</p>
<p>Bob Barr and Cynthia McKinney might be more principled than Obama, but if we&#8217;re going to end the war on drugs we need to be practical. Obama is the only candidate who has voiced support for decriminalization. There was that one time he didn&#8217;t say he supported it. But it turned out that he wasn&#8217;t sure if they just meant removing penalties for responsible use or legalizing sale. While we&#8217;d like to see a legalized, regulated system of sale removing penalties for adult use is a huge step in the right direction that would quickly lead to that. Remember we have treaty obligations. Obama probably wants to change the treaty before legalizing sale.</p>
<p>Biden actually will boost Obama&#8217;s influence if Obama does decide to support the bill. Even if Biden still supports the war on drugs he won&#8217;t want to undermine the president if he&#8217;s vp, and Biden&#8217;s change genuine or not from supporting the war on drugs to opposing it will convince a lot of people because of his past.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is not going to drop Biden.  To do that at this point would lose the race no matter what, even if Hilary would have been a better choice to begin with, as it would make him look indecisive and weak.

As for my attitude being what screws people like ron paul, well, I can&#039;t see myself ever having voted for the man.  Partly out of prejudice, I admit.  We&#039;ve had two presidents from Texas in the last 50 years, and they&#039;ve both pretty much been disasters.  Although the more recent has been much worse than the next most recent, they&#039;re probably 1st and the 3rd worst, with Cali providing the second and fourth worst.  Two states providing over 50% of the presidentage in the last half a buck, and they&#039;ve all been boners.  So I can&#039;t see myslef voting for another Texan -or a Californian for that matter - for a while.  Give a scion of some other state a chance to screw things up says I.

As for the anti-American crap, America, like any society, is imperfect.  But I&#039;ve been around the world enough to recognize that we&#039;re actually pretty damn good comparatively.  I like the Dutch better on weed issues, of course, even if they have about sixty billion other issues on which I prefer the US.  But let me tell you if you&#039;ve never gone - GO NOW.  Just to walk into a funky little shop and browse the selections... its just really, really cool.  Like being a wine aficionado who has never even seen anything but homemade, and most of it swill, suddenly released into a fine wine cellar... ahhhh...

But I digress.   

The problem is that so many reformers in the US are utopian idealists that want a total end to prohibition now and think anything less is selling out and ought to be heartily condemned.  The same perspective as the far right fundys, just a different value set.  ron paul has that bug - thinks massive change of a whole lot of things, all at once, is the only way to go.  It don&#039;t work that way, homey.

Extremism never wins.  Youse gots to triangulate to propagate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is not going to drop Biden.  To do that at this point would lose the race no matter what, even if Hilary would have been a better choice to begin with, as it would make him look indecisive and weak.</p>
<p>As for my attitude being what screws people like ron paul, well, I can&#8217;t see myself ever having voted for the man.  Partly out of prejudice, I admit.  We&#8217;ve had two presidents from Texas in the last 50 years, and they&#8217;ve both pretty much been disasters.  Although the more recent has been much worse than the next most recent, they&#8217;re probably 1st and the 3rd worst, with Cali providing the second and fourth worst.  Two states providing over 50% of the presidentage in the last half a buck, and they&#8217;ve all been boners.  So I can&#8217;t see myslef voting for another Texan -or a Californian for that matter &#8211; for a while.  Give a scion of some other state a chance to screw things up says I.</p>
<p>As for the anti-American crap, America, like any society, is imperfect.  But I&#8217;ve been around the world enough to recognize that we&#8217;re actually pretty damn good comparatively.  I like the Dutch better on weed issues, of course, even if they have about sixty billion other issues on which I prefer the US.  But let me tell you if you&#8217;ve never gone &#8211; GO NOW.  Just to walk into a funky little shop and browse the selections&#8230; its just really, really cool.  Like being a wine aficionado who has never even seen anything but homemade, and most of it swill, suddenly released into a fine wine cellar&#8230; ahhhh&#8230;</p>
<p>But I digress.   </p>
<p>The problem is that so many reformers in the US are utopian idealists that want a total end to prohibition now and think anything less is selling out and ought to be heartily condemned.  The same perspective as the far right fundys, just a different value set.  ron paul has that bug &#8211; thinks massive change of a whole lot of things, all at once, is the only way to go.  It don&#8217;t work that way, homey.</p>
<p>Extremism never wins.  Youse gots to triangulate to propagate.</p>
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		<title>By: GoldenGoblin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoldenGoblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sense of overwhelming dread continues to grow (no pardoning the pun) while I watch how far this country, that used to be great, fall just a bit further. Don&#039;t misunderstand me, I still believe in the United States, just not many of the directions we have taken or the leadership. We have become archaic and inquisitional towards the outside and the inside. 
Even if I think the two party system is a failure or at least a partial failure, in order to not be a statistic whose vote counts for nothing. I still have to vote &#039;lesser evil&#039;. I&#039;m not in this to make a statement, while letting someone who I believe who would make my life harder into office. I may not like the flippy flops of Obama but compared to McCain it is a near non-issue. 
Where is the liberty? Where did the freedom go? Why am I scared of the future for my children? Why can&#039;t we all just get along? Why do we have to police the world? etc...
I can only hope people vote consciously and that the &#039;American cattle&#039; will finally see where following the herd has gotten us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sense of overwhelming dread continues to grow (no pardoning the pun) while I watch how far this country, that used to be great, fall just a bit further. Don&#8217;t misunderstand me, I still believe in the United States, just not many of the directions we have taken or the leadership. We have become archaic and inquisitional towards the outside and the inside.<br />
Even if I think the two party system is a failure or at least a partial failure, in order to not be a statistic whose vote counts for nothing. I still have to vote &#8216;lesser evil&#8217;. I&#8217;m not in this to make a statement, while letting someone who I believe who would make my life harder into office. I may not like the flippy flops of Obama but compared to McCain it is a near non-issue.<br />
Where is the liberty? Where did the freedom go? Why am I scared of the future for my children? Why can&#8217;t we all just get along? Why do we have to police the world? etc&#8230;<br />
I can only hope people vote consciously and that the &#8216;American cattle&#8217; will finally see where following the herd has gotten us.</p>
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		<title>By: Rickr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rickr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Bob, he might have had a better chance because a lot of people liked him, but didn&#039;t vote for him because they didn&#039;t think he had a chance.  If everyone who was against the drug war voted for him, he could have been a serious contender.  It&#039;s your view that screwed him over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Bob, he might have had a better chance because a lot of people liked him, but didn&#8217;t vote for him because they didn&#8217;t think he had a chance.  If everyone who was against the drug war voted for him, he could have been a serious contender.  It&#8217;s your view that screwed him over.</p>
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		<title>By: Rickr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rickr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We might not have to worry about Biden too much longer.  It seems that there is a possibility that Obama might cut him loose in favor of Hillary Clinton to counter McCain&#039;s choice of Sarah Palin.  In my opinion, he should have chose here to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We might not have to worry about Biden too much longer.  It seems that there is a possibility that Obama might cut him loose in favor of Hillary Clinton to counter McCain&#8217;s choice of Sarah Palin.  In my opinion, he should have chose here to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If everyone who wanted Dr. Paul to win voted for him, he just might have a chance.&quot; some say.

No.  He couldn&#039;t even secure enough votes to be a serious contender in the GoP primary.  How would he manage to win in a general?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If everyone who wanted Dr. Paul to win voted for him, he just might have a chance.&#8221; some say.</p>
<p>No.  He couldn&#8217;t even secure enough votes to be a serious contender in the GoP primary.  How would he manage to win in a general?</p>
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		<title>By: Buggsy 13420666</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buggsy 13420666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DECRIMINALIZATION. LEGALIZATION. PROHIBITION. The govt. needs to learn how to crawl before they can walk. DECRIMINALIZATION the crawling stage and LEGALIZATION the walking stage. PROHIBITION the mindless stage on marijuana. Obama has made a statement that he would call off the DEA (dead end atrocities) on medical marijuana states, if he is elected into office. If the Republicans get in, four more years of BUSHISM. In November, Obama and Biden all the way, the lesser of two evils. Trying to vote in a independant party is like sending a manned space probe to Pluto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DECRIMINALIZATION. LEGALIZATION. PROHIBITION. The govt. needs to learn how to crawl before they can walk. DECRIMINALIZATION the crawling stage and LEGALIZATION the walking stage. PROHIBITION the mindless stage on marijuana. Obama has made a statement that he would call off the DEA (dead end atrocities) on medical marijuana states, if he is elected into office. If the Republicans get in, four more years of BUSHISM. In November, Obama and Biden all the way, the lesser of two evils. Trying to vote in a independant party is like sending a manned space probe to Pluto.</p>
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		<title>By: mattguitarman</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattguitarman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from PA I&#039;ve heard of NORML lol(Matthew&#039;s post #2.)

I&#039;m a Ron Paul supporter because of his consistent views on the drug war (as well as many other things.) I really enjoy watching the youtube video&#039;s of him in 1988 on Morton Downey Jr&#039;s trash tv screaming at a prohibitionist audience about how we need to end the drug war NOW! Even though he&#039;s not running for president anymore, he&#039;s still got my total support (campaign for liberty.) 

I figure if you can&#039;t change the government&#039;s mind after 40 years...change the government. I think the campaign for liberty is a move in the right direction.

In regards to NORML renting billboards it&#039;s a good idea. I think maybe spending more time getting people pumped to get active about this would be just as beneficial. Finding ways to reach the public can be as simple as small flyer&#039;s, posters on telephone poles, and yard signs. Why not plan a day when NORML supports all go out and just bombard the public with pro marijuana signs and handouts all at the same time. If the effort is sudden and strong it&#039;d be like throwing a rock in pond, a sudden splash and then the ripples. It could be called a marijuana bomb. lol.

I&#039;m an amature musician and I aim to put together a few songs that are pro cannabis. Anything to get some movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from PA I&#8217;ve heard of NORML lol(Matthew&#8217;s post #2.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Ron Paul supporter because of his consistent views on the drug war (as well as many other things.) I really enjoy watching the youtube video&#8217;s of him in 1988 on Morton Downey Jr&#8217;s trash tv screaming at a prohibitionist audience about how we need to end the drug war NOW! Even though he&#8217;s not running for president anymore, he&#8217;s still got my total support (campaign for liberty.) </p>
<p>I figure if you can&#8217;t change the government&#8217;s mind after 40 years&#8230;change the government. I think the campaign for liberty is a move in the right direction.</p>
<p>In regards to NORML renting billboards it&#8217;s a good idea. I think maybe spending more time getting people pumped to get active about this would be just as beneficial. Finding ways to reach the public can be as simple as small flyer&#8217;s, posters on telephone poles, and yard signs. Why not plan a day when NORML supports all go out and just bombard the public with pro marijuana signs and handouts all at the same time. If the effort is sudden and strong it&#8217;d be like throwing a rock in pond, a sudden splash and then the ripples. It could be called a marijuana bomb. lol.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an amature musician and I aim to put together a few songs that are pro cannabis. Anything to get some movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck Biden. Fuck Obama. Fuck McCain. 


This campain has only one choice for Marijuana Laws.

VOTE RON PAUL!!!!!!!!

See, I was going to give my vote to Obama, because he is the lesser of 2 evils, even though I really was going for Ron Paul. I figured that Dr. Paul didn&#039;t have a chance and I was going to give my vote to a guy that has a real chance. 

FUCK THAT!

If everyone who wanted Dr. Paul to win voted for him, he just might have a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck Biden. Fuck Obama. Fuck McCain. </p>
<p>This campain has only one choice for Marijuana Laws.</p>
<p>VOTE RON PAUL!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>See, I was going to give my vote to Obama, because he is the lesser of 2 evils, even though I really was going for Ron Paul. I figured that Dr. Paul didn&#8217;t have a chance and I was going to give my vote to a guy that has a real chance. </p>
<p>FUCK THAT!</p>
<p>If everyone who wanted Dr. Paul to win voted for him, he just might have a chance.</p>
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