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	<title>Comments on: New York Times: Mexico &#8220;Legalizes&#8221; Drug Possession &#8212; Well, Not Exactly</title>
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		<title>By: No vote on pot</title>
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		<dc:creator>No vote on pot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 06:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now the cops can just PLANT MORE than 5gms of pot on you and then arrest you UNTIL you pay them off in bribes.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now the cops can just PLANT MORE than 5gms of pot on you and then arrest you UNTIL you pay them off in bribes&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Cannabis Chutzpah: United Nation’s Anti-Drug Agency Is Dopey</title>
		<link>http://blog.norml.org/2009/08/21/new-york-times-mexico-legalizes-drug-possession-well-not-exactly/comment-page-2/#comment-71250</link>
		<dc:creator>Cannabis Chutzpah: United Nation’s Anti-Drug Agency Is Dopey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] how not cast the same critical eye towards cannabis-tolerant America (and the near narco-state of Mexico to the south where the fields of cannabis are viewed by satellite and the federal government [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well its been a while since i logged on and i just caught this one, but what i dont get is if you can have up to 4 joints but how does every one get it legally since distribution, sale, manufacture, or otherwise are oddly enough illegal?

i mean it is a BIG step in the right direction, just not that well thought out. i mean the do have colleges in mexico right?

well common fucking sense is not that difficult to come up with.
i mean i can have that lil bit of weed in my pocket but how do i go about getting it well legally anyway thats like taking one of us to the cup and saying enjoy yourself but you cant smoke 
seems like el presidente may need to lay off the jose for a while

any way this is the wolfman signing off till next time
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well its been a while since i logged on and i just caught this one, but what i dont get is if you can have up to 4 joints but how does every one get it legally since distribution, sale, manufacture, or otherwise are oddly enough illegal?</p>
<p>i mean it is a BIG step in the right direction, just not that well thought out. i mean the do have colleges in mexico right?</p>
<p>well common fucking sense is not that difficult to come up with.<br />
i mean i can have that lil bit of weed in my pocket but how do i go about getting it well legally anyway thats like taking one of us to the cup and saying enjoy yourself but you cant smoke<br />
seems like el presidente may need to lay off the jose for a while</p>
<p>any way this is the wolfman signing off till next time<br />
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		<title>By: Shawn Kearney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Kearney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on! Don&#039;t be so niave that this isn&#039;t a huge step in the right direction. I would gladly take this policy in place of current policy. While it is a far cry from legalization (remember folks, the nyt is about profit and flashy headlines not some kind of PSA). With any hope regulators in both countries will realize that loosening marijuana policy will not result in the sky falling and even manditory treamrnt for casual users is a tremendous waste of money. Get real guys. We&#039;re not going to erase 75 years of policy and culture overnight.  (added by Mobile using &lt;a href=&quot;http://mippin.com/?ref=commentposting&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mippin&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on! Don&#8217;t be so niave that this isn&#8217;t a huge step in the right direction. I would gladly take this policy in place of current policy. While it is a far cry from legalization (remember folks, the nyt is about profit and flashy headlines not some kind of PSA). With any hope regulators in both countries will realize that loosening marijuana policy will not result in the sky falling and even manditory treamrnt for casual users is a tremendous waste of money. Get real guys. We&#8217;re not going to erase 75 years of policy and culture overnight.  (added by Mobile using <a href="http://mippin.com/?ref=commentposting" rel="nofollow">Mippin</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Unitedwetokedividedwechoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unitedwetokedividedwechoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>corporations do drug tests for a couple reasons:
1. Dangerous positions
2. Government tax incentives to do so
3. An easy out to not have to pay out through insurance, disability, unemployment, or other accidents that may be totally unrelated to MJ b/c you could have smoked it a month ago and had an accident today.

I think 3 is the worst one of all.  I have seen too many employees lose a job b/c they got hurt and they popped on a piss test a month after smoking pot.  When I dealt with accidents at my old job I would always make sure the employee understood that they would be required to take a drug test if I filed an accident report.  So many said yes they understood that and then popped on a piss test and I never seen them again.  FIRED!

The government nor an employer should have the right to tell you what you can and can&#039;t do in your free time.  Guess that&#039;s why the same employer was full of alcoholics, coke heads, and pill heads.

I got really lucky once.  I had an employer once that was insane about drug testing but I was part of a weekend skeletal crew and there were no nurses on duty during those shifts so I was not piss tested for a year.  After a year the company would pick you up and hire you as a permanent employee (a poor excuse so they could start your time, vacation, and benefits over at zero after working for them for a year.  Well with that came another drug test b/c technically I wasn&#039;t a permanent employee yet.  Well B/c I knew this I stopped smoking in January so I&#039;d be clean for my Mar 1 deadline.  Well they caled me in for a piss test mid February and I popped (but it was very faint.  I explained the situation that I quit a month ago blah blah blah, and b/c of this I was going to lose my job?  They said well you must be a good worker b/c you managed to make it through the first year which many do not.  They said &quot;they&#039;d have to send it to the lab&quot; and I&#039;d have to sit home till the results came back.  A week later, they told me to get my ass back to work and leave the &quot;childish stuff&quot; behind.  I don&#039;t think they sent it to a lab.  I think they &quot;lost&quot; some paperwork on my behalf.  I was so thankful but I realize that this is like a one in a million case.  Most companies are very &quot;black and white&quot; with no gray area.  Luckily the town I was working in is full of alcoholics, pill heads, and tokers, so I think they were used to dealing with it.  My ex did the whistleblower thing and they let her go to rehab in exchange for keeping her job and that was for coke.

Another story about an employer.  Chaparral and Robalo Boats was bought out by an oil company in the late 90&#039;s and became a public company.  When a company goes public every dime has to be tracked b/c of shareholders, drug tests usually ensue b/c of the tax breaks and it makes the company look good.  Well after about 3 months of that and scaring everybody to death, people were quitting like crazy.  The former owner but still CEO William S. Pegg stood up to the Oil company and said &quot; look a here, you are running off all my supervisors, plant managers, and employees.  This is a small town with a small employee pool and if you keep doing this, we cannot build any boats.&quot;  This coming from the same man that got caught twice for shipping coke out in the boat fuel tanks and used to come in to work coked out of his gourd before the company went public.  After that, drug tests were only brought out for pre-employment and post accident. Amazing how dwindling profits cause a company to change its mind.  Its a little different in small town America b/c there is nothing for these folks to do except get drunk, do drugs, and make babies and those who DON&#039;T do something are the minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>corporations do drug tests for a couple reasons:<br />
1. Dangerous positions<br />
2. Government tax incentives to do so<br />
3. An easy out to not have to pay out through insurance, disability, unemployment, or other accidents that may be totally unrelated to MJ b/c you could have smoked it a month ago and had an accident today.</p>
<p>I think 3 is the worst one of all.  I have seen too many employees lose a job b/c they got hurt and they popped on a piss test a month after smoking pot.  When I dealt with accidents at my old job I would always make sure the employee understood that they would be required to take a drug test if I filed an accident report.  So many said yes they understood that and then popped on a piss test and I never seen them again.  FIRED!</p>
<p>The government nor an employer should have the right to tell you what you can and can&#8217;t do in your free time.  Guess that&#8217;s why the same employer was full of alcoholics, coke heads, and pill heads.</p>
<p>I got really lucky once.  I had an employer once that was insane about drug testing but I was part of a weekend skeletal crew and there were no nurses on duty during those shifts so I was not piss tested for a year.  After a year the company would pick you up and hire you as a permanent employee (a poor excuse so they could start your time, vacation, and benefits over at zero after working for them for a year.  Well with that came another drug test b/c technically I wasn&#8217;t a permanent employee yet.  Well B/c I knew this I stopped smoking in January so I&#8217;d be clean for my Mar 1 deadline.  Well they caled me in for a piss test mid February and I popped (but it was very faint.  I explained the situation that I quit a month ago blah blah blah, and b/c of this I was going to lose my job?  They said well you must be a good worker b/c you managed to make it through the first year which many do not.  They said &#8220;they&#8217;d have to send it to the lab&#8221; and I&#8217;d have to sit home till the results came back.  A week later, they told me to get my ass back to work and leave the &#8220;childish stuff&#8221; behind.  I don&#8217;t think they sent it to a lab.  I think they &#8220;lost&#8221; some paperwork on my behalf.  I was so thankful but I realize that this is like a one in a million case.  Most companies are very &#8220;black and white&#8221; with no gray area.  Luckily the town I was working in is full of alcoholics, pill heads, and tokers, so I think they were used to dealing with it.  My ex did the whistleblower thing and they let her go to rehab in exchange for keeping her job and that was for coke.</p>
<p>Another story about an employer.  Chaparral and Robalo Boats was bought out by an oil company in the late 90&#8242;s and became a public company.  When a company goes public every dime has to be tracked b/c of shareholders, drug tests usually ensue b/c of the tax breaks and it makes the company look good.  Well after about 3 months of that and scaring everybody to death, people were quitting like crazy.  The former owner but still CEO William S. Pegg stood up to the Oil company and said &#8221; look a here, you are running off all my supervisors, plant managers, and employees.  This is a small town with a small employee pool and if you keep doing this, we cannot build any boats.&#8221;  This coming from the same man that got caught twice for shipping coke out in the boat fuel tanks and used to come in to work coked out of his gourd before the company went public.  After that, drug tests were only brought out for pre-employment and post accident. Amazing how dwindling profits cause a company to change its mind.  Its a little different in small town America b/c there is nothing for these folks to do except get drunk, do drugs, and make babies and those who DON&#8217;T do something are the minority.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said ANNAH!
#  Annah Says:
August 21st, 2009 at 4:47 pm

The “decriminalization” concept is such a joke. Like a bad joke, actually. Do they think they’re appeasing folks who want cannabis legalized? Is that the point? Are they trying to get people to feel comfortable with wandering around with “four joints” in their pocket so they can get more leads on suppliers? Don’t they get it? Don’t they understand that this is doing no more good than full criminalization? What’s going to stop cops from inquiring, “Where’d you get that?”

Granted, it looks like a “first step” toward legalization, but I believe it is not. I also think that Mexico would not do this without the US Government’s stamp of approval and that makes me think that both governments are trying to appease legalization proponents in an effort to quell the continued rise of people asking for true legalization.

The only cure to the sickness that is prohibition and drug cartel violence is legalization, taxation and real regulation. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said ANNAH!<br />
#  Annah Says:<br />
August 21st, 2009 at 4:47 pm</p>
<p>The “decriminalization” concept is such a joke. Like a bad joke, actually. Do they think they’re appeasing folks who want cannabis legalized? Is that the point? Are they trying to get people to feel comfortable with wandering around with “four joints” in their pocket so they can get more leads on suppliers? Don’t they get it? Don’t they understand that this is doing no more good than full criminalization? What’s going to stop cops from inquiring, “Where’d you get that?”</p>
<p>Granted, it looks like a “first step” toward legalization, but I believe it is not. I also think that Mexico would not do this without the US Government’s stamp of approval and that makes me think that both governments are trying to appease legalization proponents in an effort to quell the continued rise of people asking for true legalization.</p>
<p>The only cure to the sickness that is prohibition and drug cartel violence is legalization, taxation and real regulation. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelson P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A foreign country making its own rules regarding drug legality toward its own people, and finally rebuking the seemingly omnipotent drug war strong-arm of the grand &#039;ol USA.

A step in the right direction as far as I am concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A foreign country making its own rules regarding drug legality toward its own people, and finally rebuking the seemingly omnipotent drug war strong-arm of the grand &#8216;ol USA.</p>
<p>A step in the right direction as far as I am concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: NeuroGenesis1:29</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeuroGenesis1:29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.norml.org/2009/08/21/new-york-times-mexico-legalizes-drug-possession-well-not-exactly/#comment-55808&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#54  fla activist Says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 am&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;hey fellow consumers,can someone tell me what happens to workplace drug testing where, decriminalization is concerned?if we push for that as a way to forward legalization, can my employer still tell me what to do in my private life?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;b&gt;RE: fla activist, 
- I think this would really 
depend upon the employer and specific
JOB-description. 

- Some places test SOLEY because of stipulations 
related to doing business with the federal-government, 
(and would not test otherwise...), 
whereas others would continue to test, 
even in absence of federal requirements, 
due to JOB-SPECIFIC safety-concerns, 
(transportation, shipping, heavy-equipment operators 
and hazardous-materials handling, for example...). 

- Perhaps,  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.norml.org/2009/08/12/prohibition-hi-tech-tool-just-another-anti-marijuana-silver-bullet/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more accurate test-methods&lt;/a&gt; 
will make UNSCIENTIFIC, zero-tolerance 
testing a thing of the past, 
(Tests which determine present-impairment 
based upon current levels of THC, instead of 
relying upon weeks-old, inactive metabolites, 
like hair follicle and urine-testing do...).&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.norml.org/2009/08/12/prohibition-hi-tech-tool-just-another-anti-marijuana-silver-bullet/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Our bittersweet friend…technology.&lt;/a&gt;


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NORML Admin:&lt;/b&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blog.norml.org/2009/08/21/new-york-times-mexico-legalizes-drug-possession-well-not-exactly/#comment-55808" rel="nofollow">#54  fla activist Says:<br />
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 am</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;hey fellow consumers,can someone tell me what happens to workplace drug testing where, decriminalization is concerned?if we push for that as a way to forward legalization, can my employer still tell me what to do in my private life?&#8221;</i> </p>
<p><b>RE: fla activist,<br />
- I think this would really<br />
depend upon the employer and specific<br />
JOB-description. </p>
<p>- Some places test SOLEY because of stipulations<br />
related to doing business with the federal-government,<br />
(and would not test otherwise&#8230;),<br />
whereas others would continue to test,<br />
even in absence of federal requirements,<br />
due to JOB-SPECIFIC safety-concerns,<br />
(transportation, shipping, heavy-equipment operators<br />
and hazardous-materials handling, for example&#8230;). </p>
<p>- Perhaps,<br />
<a href="http://blog.norml.org/2009/08/12/prohibition-hi-tech-tool-just-another-anti-marijuana-silver-bullet/" rel="nofollow">more accurate test-methods</a><br />
will make UNSCIENTIFIC, zero-tolerance<br />
testing a thing of the past,<br />
(Tests which determine present-impairment<br />
based upon current levels of THC, instead of<br />
relying upon weeks-old, inactive metabolites,<br />
like hair follicle and urine-testing do&#8230;).</b></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.norml.org/2009/08/12/prohibition-hi-tech-tool-just-another-anti-marijuana-silver-bullet/" rel="nofollow">Our bittersweet friend…technology.</a></p>
<p><b>~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~<br />
NORML Admin:</b><br />
(PLEASE DELETE PRVIOUS TWO POSTS&#8230;<br />
TYPO&#8217;S and DRPPED-LETTERS DON&#8217;T BECOME<br />
APPARENT UNTIL after COMMENT IS SENT)<br />
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		<title>By: Lea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#51, Mark, Glenolden, PA:  You&#039;re welcome dear heart, and thank you for keeping up the Good fight.  

Everyone:  Channel your energies in the direction towards the end of Prohibition of Cannabis.  As a whole we cannot accept anything other than the end of slavery to the guberment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#51, Mark, Glenolden, PA:  You&#8217;re welcome dear heart, and thank you for keeping up the Good fight.  </p>
<p>Everyone:  Channel your energies in the direction towards the end of Prohibition of Cannabis.  As a whole we cannot accept anything other than the end of slavery to the guberment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dust Goodpaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dust Goodpaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great News, Good to see someone is taking logical steps in these dire times. I would support legalization of all drugs, but this is a good step. Hopefully it doesn&#039;t take a full on war in the US to make positive steps such as these. Peace, Legalize Hemp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great News, Good to see someone is taking logical steps in these dire times. I would support legalization of all drugs, but this is a good step. Hopefully it doesn&#8217;t take a full on war in the US to make positive steps such as these. Peace, Legalize Hemp.</p>
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