Comments on: Profiles in Cannabis: Richard Lee http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/ Working to reform marijuana laws Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:59:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: rachel self http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-73097 rachel self Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:00:16 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-73097 you know the rev allen the excrack addict keeps going on about pot being a gateway drug...i think you all need to get the stats across that not everybody likes the ghanga maybe what 2 out of 10...the other eight go looking for something with a more chemically processed romance...the folks that groove on the ghanga might initally travel further but always return in short order...well becasue it just fits and suits the medicinal aspect and/or recreational...usually both...i think this issue needs to be driven home with the effort...peace you know the rev allen the excrack addict keeps going on about pot being a gateway drug…i think you all need to get the stats across that not everybody likes the ghanga maybe what 2 out of 10…the other eight go looking for something with a more chemically processed romance…the folks that groove on the ghanga might initally travel further but always return in short order…well becasue it just fits and suits the medicinal aspect and/or recreational…usually both…i think this issue needs to be driven home with the effort…peace

]]> By: r lee http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-57553 r lee Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:18:32 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-57553 TaxCannabis2010.com does not effect mmj laws or reduce any mmj patient rights. It also makes cal the 8th state to allow hemp farming, explicitly and implicitly (if cities and counties can grow high THC cannabis then low THC is of coarse also allowed. I have not attacked CCI because i believe in supoorting all legalization efforts, however since it's supporters continue to attack TC2010, i will point out that CCI has been ruled unconstitutional by the LAO. keep the faith, rich lee TaxCannabis2010.com does not effect mmj laws or reduce any mmj patient rights. It also makes cal the 8th state to allow hemp farming, explicitly and implicitly (if cities and counties can grow high THC cannabis then low THC is of coarse also allowed.
I have not attacked CCI because i believe in supoorting all legalization efforts, however since it’s supporters continue to attack TC2010, i will point out that CCI has been ruled unconstitutional by the LAO.
keep the faith,
rich lee

]]> By: Stompedonmyrights http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-57465 Stompedonmyrights Sat, 19 Sep 2009 02:11:41 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-57465 If they tax my pot I use when will they come to tax the air I use? What will be next sunlight? If they tax my pot I use when will they come to tax the air I use? What will be next sunlight?

]]> By: Mikey http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-57417 Mikey Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:46:24 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-57417 I'm sure it's not a case where he's intentionally trying to put forth a bad bill or anything like that. I guess the rationale would be that he has had success in getting taxation for medical cannabis in Oakland. Taxation would be a de-facto legalization, so I guess that's the angle he's coming from in terms of taxing cannabis for medicinal use. I guess he must have picked out things that he felt might be perceived as weaknesses like protecting youthful medical users and forcing local municipalities to allow dispensaries and tried to eliminate them in an effort to boost support from those on the fence. For the life of me I can't figure out why he would overlook industrial hemp. This is where the cannabis plant can do the MOST good in society and, at least in my opinion, could boost support far more than these needless concessions. This would be legalization's biggest selling point I hope in time Mr. Lee would support The Tax, Regulate, and Control Cannabis Act. The Oakland tax was a necessary first step to get the ball rolling on legalization; but in the end, we really shouldn't be taxing medicine. I'm a recreational user. I am fair game to tax and I am happy to do so. But in the cases where cannabis could be life or death, we can't justify taxing that when we are taxing its recreational and industrial use. I’m sure it’s not a case where he’s intentionally trying to put forth a bad bill or anything like that. I guess the rationale would be that he has had success in getting taxation for medical cannabis in Oakland. Taxation would be a de-facto legalization, so I guess that’s the angle he’s coming from in terms of taxing cannabis for medicinal use. I guess he must have picked out things that he felt might be perceived as weaknesses like protecting youthful medical users and forcing local municipalities to allow dispensaries and tried to eliminate them in an effort to boost support from those on the fence. For the life of me I can’t figure out why he would overlook industrial hemp. This is where the cannabis plant can do the MOST good in society and, at least in my opinion, could boost support far more than these needless concessions. This would be legalization’s biggest selling point

I hope in time Mr. Lee would support The Tax, Regulate, and Control Cannabis Act. The Oakland tax was a necessary first step to get the ball rolling on legalization; but in the end, we really shouldn’t be taxing medicine. I’m a recreational user. I am fair game to tax and I am happy to do so. But in the cases where cannabis could be life or death, we can’t justify taxing that when we are taxing its recreational and industrial use.

]]> By: Fully Committed http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-57415 Fully Committed Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:05:23 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-57415 Thank you Mikey for setting the score straight in such an clear manner! Richard Lee's law has serious problems. He appears to be interested in creating a recreational cannabis sales monopoly for himself in Oakland. www.CaliforniaCannabisInitiative.org is a true legalization campaign which will restore full human rights for cannabis users as well as legalize hemp. Here is our freedom lover's call to arms- www.imgur.com/dbU83 Here is the sticker we will be distributing to thank people for signing the petition- www.imgur.com/2cjvb Thank you Mikey for setting the score straight in such an clear manner!

Richard Lee’s law has serious problems. He appears to be interested in creating a recreational cannabis sales monopoly for himself in Oakland.

http://www.CaliforniaCannabisInitiative.org is a true legalization campaign which will restore full human rights for cannabis users as well as legalize hemp.

Here is our freedom lover’s call to arms-

http://www.imgur.com/dbU83

Here is the sticker we will be distributing to thank people for signing the petition-

http://www.imgur.com/2cjvb

]]> By: jeff newman http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-57349 jeff newman Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:23:42 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-57349 does anybody reading NORML's website think that we in California should be pursuing Richard Lee's legislation vs that of the IMO superior http://www.californiacannabisinitiative.org/ ? please state your rationale? does anybody reading NORML’s website think that we in California should be pursuing Richard Lee’s legislation vs that of the IMO superior http://www.californiacannabisinitiative.org/ ?

please state your rationale?

]]> By: Stompedonmyrights http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-57331 Stompedonmyrights Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:31:45 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-57331 Harrison Narcotics Act of the 63rd US Congress 1914 Marihuana Tax Act of the 75th US Congress 1937 The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of the 91st US Congress 1970 The Legislative Branch of the United States, sitting past & present, lacked / lacks the constitutional privilege or right granted to Congress by the United States Constitution in which to abrogate the natural inalienable rights secured by the people unless the U.S. Legislative branch has reviewed valid evidence, held fair, impartial, and publicly transparent hearings which showed, or shows, that our nation’s health and or welfare would be, or is, negatively effected should the United States peoples’ continue to execute their natural inalienable right of access to the cannabis plant can it be outlawed. Absent of these reasonable conditions Congress can not, may not use it’s privilege or right of abrogation of Constitutional Rights secured by the people. It is only upon the reasonable presentation of scientific evidence which presents a valid social claim, and or an individual claim of harm that negatively impacts upon the whole, or part of, the Nation’s people does Congress have the responsibility to secure the nation’s health and welfare by use of it’s congressional privilege or right of abrogations by due process to secure said health and welfare of the Nation. But no U.S. Legislative body, past or present, has the congressional privilege or right to abrogate the natural inalienable rights secured in the United States people based on distortions, fanciful conjecture, and intentionally misleading medical and legal information. No where in the people’s founding contact adopted by the people and sworn to by this elected government does it allow deception, criminal and civil fraud, intentional misinformation, purposely tainted testimony, and the denial of any expert testimonies as bases for granting any elected and sworn U.S. Legislative body present or past with the misuse of it’s privilege or right of abrogation which allows the outlawing of the inalienable rights of the peoples’ of these United States without proper due process of law. Therefore the foundation laid in Congress to abrogate the natural inalienable rights of the people lacked any real evident that the cannabis plant is or was, ever a safety issue which negatively impacted the health and welfare of the American Society, in part or as a whole. Furthermore, the U.S. Congress did not, can not, and still does not have the privilege or right granted in the United States Constitution to write any such legislation that would abrogate the American people from their natural inalienable rights to use the cannabis planet for reason of traditional medicine, or as a traditional food supplement, as an alternative fuel source, for the making of clothing, used as a replacement for wood, used in the making of traditional paper, and or for the peoples’ ancient spiritual, religious, or cultural practices of which is clearly protected for all time sake by our founding fathers’ constitutional preamble and the first ten amendments of the United States Constitution. Hence, the United States Legislative actions known as the Harrison Narcotics Act of the 63rd legislative session, the Marihuana Tax Act of the 75th legislative session, and the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of the 91st legislative session and all those sub-action therein, which abrogate the natural inalienable rights of the people to have unfettered access to the cannabis plant is built upon a fraudulent act and therefore unconstitutional because these legislative foundations are based on fanciful propaganda which lacks any real legal scientific evident that demonstrates any negative impact on society by the use of the cannabis plant. The three legislative action listed above do adversely effect the safety and welfare of the America. These fraudulent acts of congress continue to harm the nation and drain the people of their valuable resources. Most importantly these acts have eroded the relationship between all three branches of government and the people they are suppose to represent. Our Federal Congresses in the above named sessions have acted upon the U.S. constitutional provision involving the American peoples’ natural inalienable rights and have unlawfully abrogated those natural unalienable given rights of the United States people based solely on questionable congressional witness testimonies, a bombardment of fraudulent media presentations, and grossly misquoted medical and legal data, of which is still pervasive today in the minds of the American people. There is however an overwhelming, and ever growing mound of world-wide scientific data that demonstrate to the contrary the fraudulent education material perpetrated upon our society as well as the 63rd, 75th, and 91st United States Congresses. Our U.S. Congress therefore lacked then and still lacks now it’s constitutional privilege or right to abrogate the cannabis plant from the American people. All legislation, status, and laws written and enacted from these fraudulent act of intentional misguided legislation should be ruled by the Supreme Court in the land as null and void because they are repugnant to the foundation of the United States Constitution. “ The Constitution is a written instrument, as such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now.” South Carolina v. United States, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905) “To disregard such a deliberate choice of words and their natural meaning, would be a departure from the first principle of constitutional interpretation.” “Every word must have its due force and appropriate meaning; for it is evident from the whole instrument, that, no word was unnecessarily used, or needlessly added.” Chief Justice Taney in Holmes v. Jennison, 14 U.S. 540, 570-1 “ Every word appears to have been weighted with the utmost deliberation and its effect to have been fully understood.” Wright v. United States, 302 U.S. 583 (1938) “All laws which are repugnant to the constitution are null and void.” Chief Justice Marshall in Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137, 174, 176 (1803) “If the legislator clearly misinterprets a constitutional provision, the frequent repetition of the wrong will not create a right.” Amos v. Mosley, 74 Fla. 555; 77 So. 619. (Congress) “Where rights are secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.” Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 491. “When any court violates the clean and unambiguous language of the constitution, a fraud is perpetrated and no one is bound to obey it.” State v. Sutton Minn. 147, 65 NW 262, 30 L.R.A. 630 Am. St. 459) “The due process clause of the Fifth Amendment guarantees to each citizen the equal protection of the laws and prohibits a denial thereof by any federal official.” Bolling v. Sharpe, 327 U.S. 497 Black's Law Dictionary: Fraud: "An intentional perversion of the truth for the purpose of inducing another in reliance upon it to part with some valuable thing belonging to him or to surrender a legal right; a false representation of a matter of fact, whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of that which should have been disclosed, which deceives and is intended to deceive another so that he shall act upon it to his legal injury." It is time for a national class action writ to the Highest of Court in the Land demanding this fruad stop. Harrison Narcotics Act of the 63rd US Congress 1914
Marihuana Tax Act of the 75th US Congress 1937
The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of the 91st US Congress 1970
The Legislative Branch of the United States, sitting past & present, lacked / lacks the constitutional privilege or right granted to Congress by the United States Constitution in which to abrogate the natural inalienable rights secured by the people unless the U.S. Legislative branch has reviewed valid evidence, held fair, impartial, and publicly transparent hearings which showed, or shows, that our nation’s health and or welfare would be, or is, negatively effected should the United States peoples’ continue to execute their natural inalienable right of access to the cannabis plant can it be outlawed. Absent of these reasonable conditions Congress can not, may not use it’s privilege or right of abrogation of Constitutional Rights secured by the people.
It is only upon the reasonable presentation of scientific evidence which presents a valid social claim, and or an individual claim of harm that negatively impacts upon the whole, or part of, the Nation’s people does Congress have the responsibility to secure the nation’s health and welfare by use of it’s congressional privilege or right of abrogations by due process to secure said health and welfare of the Nation. But no U.S. Legislative body, past or present, has the congressional privilege or right to abrogate the natural inalienable rights secured in the United States people based on distortions, fanciful conjecture, and intentionally misleading medical and legal information. No where in the people’s founding contact adopted by the people and sworn to by this elected government does it allow deception, criminal and civil fraud, intentional misinformation, purposely tainted testimony, and the denial of any expert testimonies as bases for granting any elected and sworn U.S. Legislative body present or past with the misuse of it’s privilege or right of abrogation which allows the outlawing of the inalienable rights of the peoples’ of these United States without proper due process of law.
Therefore the foundation laid in Congress to abrogate the natural inalienable rights of the people lacked any real evident that the cannabis plant is or was, ever a safety issue which negatively impacted the health and welfare of the American Society, in part or as a whole. Furthermore, the U.S. Congress did not, can not, and still does not have the privilege or right granted in the United States Constitution to write any such legislation that would abrogate the American people from their natural inalienable rights to use the cannabis planet for reason of traditional medicine, or as a traditional food supplement, as an alternative fuel source, for the making of clothing, used as a replacement for wood, used in the making of traditional paper, and or for the peoples’ ancient spiritual, religious, or cultural practices of which is clearly protected for all time sake by our founding fathers’ constitutional preamble and the first ten amendments of the United States Constitution.
Hence, the United States Legislative actions known as the Harrison Narcotics Act of the 63rd legislative session, the Marihuana Tax Act of the 75th legislative session, and the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of the 91st legislative session and all those sub-action therein, which abrogate the natural inalienable rights of the people to have unfettered access to the cannabis plant is built upon a fraudulent act and therefore unconstitutional because these legislative foundations are based on fanciful propaganda which lacks any real legal scientific evident that demonstrates any negative impact on society by the use of the cannabis plant. The three legislative action listed above do adversely effect the safety and welfare of the America. These fraudulent acts of congress continue to harm the nation and drain the people of their valuable resources. Most importantly these acts have eroded the relationship between all three branches of government and the people they are suppose to represent.
Our Federal Congresses in the above named sessions have acted upon the U.S. constitutional provision involving the American peoples’ natural inalienable rights and have unlawfully abrogated those natural unalienable given rights of the United States people based solely on questionable congressional witness testimonies, a bombardment of fraudulent media presentations, and grossly misquoted medical and legal data, of which is still pervasive today in the minds of the American people. There is however an overwhelming, and ever growing mound of world-wide scientific data that demonstrate to the contrary the fraudulent education material perpetrated upon our society as well as the 63rd, 75th, and 91st United States Congresses. Our U.S. Congress therefore lacked then and still lacks now it’s constitutional privilege or right to abrogate the cannabis plant from the American people. All legislation, status, and laws written and enacted from these fraudulent act of intentional misguided legislation should be ruled by the Supreme Court in the land as null and void because they are repugnant to the foundation of the United States Constitution.
“ The Constitution is a written instrument, as such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now.” South Carolina v. United States, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905)
“To disregard such a deliberate choice of words and their natural meaning, would be a departure from the first principle of constitutional interpretation.” “Every word must have its due force and appropriate meaning; for it is evident from the whole instrument, that, no word was unnecessarily used, or needlessly added.” Chief Justice Taney in Holmes v. Jennison, 14 U.S. 540, 570-1
“ Every word appears to have been weighted with the utmost deliberation and its effect to have been fully understood.” Wright v. United States, 302 U.S. 583 (1938)
“All laws which are repugnant to the constitution are null and void.” Chief Justice Marshall in Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137, 174, 176 (1803)
“If the legislator clearly misinterprets a constitutional provision, the frequent repetition of the wrong will not create a right.” Amos v. Mosley, 74 Fla. 555; 77 So. 619. (Congress)
“Where rights are secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.” Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 491.
“When any court violates the clean and unambiguous language of the constitution, a fraud is perpetrated and no one is bound to obey it.” State v. Sutton Minn. 147, 65 NW 262, 30 L.R.A. 630 Am. St. 459)
“The due process clause of the Fifth Amendment guarantees to each citizen the equal protection of the laws and prohibits a denial thereof by any federal official.” Bolling v. Sharpe, 327 U.S. 497
Black’s Law Dictionary:
Fraud: “An intentional perversion of the truth for the purpose of inducing another in reliance upon it to part with some valuable thing belonging to him or to surrender a legal right; a false representation of a matter of fact, whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of that which should have been disclosed, which deceives and is intended to deceive another so that he shall act upon it to his legal injury.”

It is time for a national class action writ to the Highest of Court in the Land demanding this fruad stop.

]]> By: jeff newman http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-57173 jeff newman Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:05:44 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-57173 i second mikey's wisdom...and have to fully endorse the http://www.californiacannabisinitiative.org/ Mikey Says: September 12th, 2009 at 11:24 pm It should not be understated how much Richard Lee has done for the cannabis community, BUT, when it comes to the legalization initiative he is pushing, I have to say the California Cannabis Initiative seems to be a far better bill. A break down of the 2 bills can be found here: i second mikey’s wisdom…and have to fully endorse the http://www.californiacannabisinitiative.org/
Mikey Says:
September 12th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

It should not be understated how much Richard Lee has done for the cannabis community, BUT, when it comes to the legalization initiative he is pushing, I have to say the California Cannabis Initiative seems to be a far better bill. A break down of the 2 bills can be found here:

]]> By: Jeedi http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-57168 Jeedi Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:27:42 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-57168 I truly admire Richard Lee. As far as I'm concerned, when cannabis goes mainstream it will be his school that is recognized the best. I am glad to have met Richard at last year's convention. I really think he is a hero for the medical marijuana community. I truly admire Richard Lee. As far as I’m concerned, when cannabis goes mainstream it will be his school that is recognized the best. I am glad to have met Richard at last year’s convention. I really think he is a hero for the medical marijuana community.

]]> By: Nixon http://blog.norml.org/2009/09/12/profiles-in-cannabis-richard-lee/comment-page-1/#comment-57147 Nixon Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:03:24 +0000 http://blog.norml.org/?p=1595#comment-57147 ohh and to translate: (THC 2010) is (09-0022). 09-0022 is the initiative number California has assigned. The one we want to pass. The one that has been approved by California's secretary of state for signature gathering. it;s not referenced as THC 2010 on www.ca.gov (ROT 2010) is (09-0024). 09-0024 is Richard Lee's initiative. It's pending approval for signature gathering. 09-0024 is NOT THE INITIATIVE WE WANT! ohh and to translate:

(THC 2010) is (09-0022). 09-0022 is the initiative number California has assigned. The one we want to pass. The one that has been approved by California’s secretary of state for signature gathering. it;s not referenced as THC 2010 on http://www.ca.gov

(ROT 2010) is (09-0024). 09-0024 is Richard Lee’s initiative. It’s pending approval for signature gathering. 09-0024 is NOT THE INITIATIVE WE WANT!

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