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NORML Founder Keith Stroup on CNN’s Blogger Bunch discussing Obama DOJ memo on medical marijuanaOctober 21st, 2009 By: Russ Belville, NORML Outreach CoordinatorShare this Article 
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October 21st, 2009 at 3:37 pm
wow, that lady seemed to not get the point at all. this all seems way over her head. shes just worried that she will lose her job as a snake oil saleswoman.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Why did that woman get to talk for 2 to 3 minutes at a time when she was saying nothing but the same lies we’ve been told forever. I like how she got terrorism involved in the conversation, it’s nothing but lies. It’s time for people to stop believing this crap and do something about it.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Too bad Mr. Stroup was cut off at the end. I had the same reaction! Bah!
October 21st, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Good Video ,so now time to find some good seeds even though i live in iowa ,an no med card o well one plant wont hurt cuz its 4 me.Im not someone that would want 99 plants to me thats not for personal id be happy with 6 plants of the finest shit,yr after yr after yr
October 21st, 2009 at 4:25 pm
That woman is the only one living in a fantasy world. We aren’t trying to make the cartels pay taxes, we’re trying to eliminate them by creating an American market.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Ms Fey, needs to be reminded of prohibition of alcohol, and how the criminal affect went away quickly after it was legalized.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:29 pm
wow that bitch was fucking annoying. Why did the person who knows fucking nothing get the most airtime?
October 21st, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Too bad they wouldnt let Kieth rebut at the end there, I am sure he was about to take the lady from PDFA to task for the 2 minutes of lies she told at the end there.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:34 pm
It’s time one of these networks actually gives a full hour of debate because even after 15 minutes so many rebuttals that could have been used were left out. To say that the MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES are FUNDING MEXICAN TERRORISM is crazy, when is the last time a Mexican drug cartel blew up an American building, kidnapped kids from school or when has a dispensary sold marijuana to ‘children’….NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER. GOD DAMNIT. I completely agree that we need to prevent children from obtaining drugs of all types, defeat drug cartels and stop the grow houses. The only way to do so is to legalize and control where the source comes from. As the last 35+ years shows the current system of criminalization is a failure at doing so. How many more years and billions of dollars are we going to waste on a system that is corrupt and failed? Not to many because Americans are starting to realize the enept failure of such policies.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:36 pm
thats bogus.. CNN 24 hr news. but not enough time. Why wont they just take that woman and make her support herself by having cnn do a fact check, and when someone is wrong, call them out on it. YOU ARE WRONG!
October 21st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Man, that lady is an idiot. Of course these drug cartels won’t pay taxes. That’s not the point. The point was to make them NOT HAVE THE BUSINESS. They should have given that rebuttle to the NORML rep!
October 21st, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Calvina Fay is the epitome of ignorance in America regarding marijuana. Everything she says is pure propaganda. I love how she said no one is in jail for a joint… uhhh? Am I the first in saying… Calvina Fay and along with her government funded organization if the pure #1 enemy of sensible laws regarding marijuana or cannabis in America?
October 21st, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I would have liked to have seen Mr. Stroup’s final response, that lady was clearly making things up!
October 21st, 2009 at 5:41 pm
grumble grumble Texas will be the last state to ever allow med herb
October 21st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
it’s about time…. now maybe we can get them to look at all the new evidence that it DOES help some people.
October 21st, 2009 at 5:57 pm
she’s an idiot, “if we legalize weed, the drug cartels will still be in power because they won’t pay taxes.”
HELLO, it’s not the cartels we are employing, it’s the honest american workers who will be employed.
I’d rather buy from a store than a drug cartel any day
October 21st, 2009 at 6:24 pm
I wanted everyone to think about how much time the mainstream media is giving this issue since the Obama Admin. made the announcement of this change in policy. No matter what we did we couldn’t get this much public exposer. This is the best thing to happen to this movement this year. The snowball is starting to roll!
October 21st, 2009 at 7:01 pm
i want weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
October 21st, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Calvina Fay is the last of her kind. It’s time for them to fizzle out now. Bye-bye, baby boomer prohibitionists!
October 21st, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Every time that stupid b!tch started talking, I just wanted to hit her in the face with a shovel. It’s obvious she dosen’t have a clue. Yea, OK lady, keep regurgitating the same pack of lies like you and your kind always do. And what’s with cable “news” being on 24/7 but only giving 15 minutes to a serious topic like this?!? Mr. Stroup was about to tear her a new one, but of course they had to “leave it there”, What a joke. But on the other hand, at least it’s getting media attention, so that’s good…..44% and growing every day.
October 21st, 2009 at 7:44 pm
that lady made some excellent points…… …..for legalization… now we arent looking to change the minds of the extreme prohibitionists… who cares about them… but the rational people who are on the fence and could go either way, those are the people whos minds we want to change and every single time we get someone anti-pot on the tv that makes no sense, its a win for us.
The people that totally agree with her are the ones who will never change their minds. We are looking for the ones who say “wait a minute, we wont be asking the cartels to pay taxes, we will be growing it here and employing americans” and they will also say “well if the cartels make most of their money from weed and we take that away, then they wont have money to fund the other criminal activities”
I know its maddening that people like calvina fay spew reefer madness and problems that are the direct result of prohibition itself and not weed, but it will make all the rational thinking folks who could go either way think twice about why its really illegal. I see it as somewhat of a positive. We dont need to convince everyone and despite the 44% gallup poll, you me and almost every cannabis consumer knows the support for it is much greater.
Im waiting for a debate like this where someone has the balls to come out and start talking about all the many other uses of cannabis. I know there was some sort of agreement for marijuana law reform groups to leave the hemp part out of it but that would put most people in favor of legalization.
October 21st, 2009 at 7:59 pm
That lady is going senile…or something.
Obviously, the Mexican drug cartels would not come here and sell marijuana illegally if marijuana was made legal. Do Mexican drug cartels come here and sell alcohol illegally? No. SHE IS SO DUMB.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:10 pm
That woman just had more lies, misinformation, and outright propaganda. Have friends and family check out some good video info on cannabis by checking out CannabisPlanet and CannabisTV.org
October 21st, 2009 at 8:14 pm
That lady was so mis-informed (hopefully) or lying out her ass. What does she think – people are going to go looking for Cannabis (Please no more of Anslingers raciist babble) from illegal sources? Regulate in the same way that it is for alcohol. We (americans) are allowed to produce a certain amount of Beer & Wine at home, so long as it is NOT for commercial purposes. Especially annoying was her downplaying the benefits of using cannabis – what rock did she crawl from under. Right now I am perscribed Ativan, Depakote, Resperidone, Xanax, and Celexa to manage a medical condition that I (supposedly) have – oh, I forgot the Ambien so I can get to sleep at night. Just what I (and my insurance company) needs every month – a nice $685 bill for medication, and worse; an addicted patient. We shouldn’t even have to be discussing this crap
October 21st, 2009 at 8:15 pm
The stupidity of people like that woman will be the death of rational thought. She probably believes in God and trusts the government 100%. Heaven help her.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:56 pm
I absolutely hate how they always make these debates like 5 minutes long!!! GRRRRR! Are people supposed to make informed decisions or hear valid arguments with these silly news constrictions. They should dedicate more time to their show instead of doing re-runs of a badly divided debate every 2 hours. That lady from Drug Free America said some of the most ridiculous stuff I’ve ever heard. “You think they’re just gonna pick up and leave.” EH! YEA!!! They weren’t there in 1800 for a REASON you idiot! lol. Their entire influence is based on bribing Mexican officials. If they lose 70% of their money, they lose 70% of their influence. Then, perhaps, the freaking Mexican Army can actually fight them when they’re not more armed than the DEA.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:01 pm
@ # 5
EXACTLY! LOL. We’re just going to take the business right from theme. I’d love to see the look on their faces when the Customs agents just let them cross the border with tons of pot and find no customers awaiting their purchase! LOL. They’ll have to take it all back.
“Oh well ese… I guess we can just smoke it then.. “
October 21st, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Why is it that when we have a debate on tv it only lat for a few seconds or a couple of min. Can we please get some real air time to have the full debate. I think we should all write CNN and tell them we want a full 30 min. to debate making marijuana legal.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:16 pm
This is just one example of what we’re up against. And it really should be easy to defeat “them” however, the lies and propaganda are so well ingrained in their brain that they actually believe it.
What got to me about Calvina, other than her babble, was the word she used two or three times: concept. concept: Something understood, and retained in the mind, from experience, reasoning and/or imagination; a generalization, or abstraction (mental impression), of a particular set of instances or occurrences.
By my rough estimates Calvina Fay got 4:55 minutes to utter her nonsense without answering any questions.
Neill got 3:00 minutes. And Keith got 3:39.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Calvina Fey organization is so twisted with their own terroristic activities, such as brain washing children to turn against their mom and dad for the sake of the “Drug Free America”. Will she deny that!
October 21st, 2009 at 9:22 pm
This video is proof that basic common sense and logical reasoning from facts is obviously a rarity now a days in today’s society.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm
That was highlarious. Calvina Fay must be on drugs if she thinks nothing has changed since the previous administrations. She knows that any shift in the attitudes of Americans toward cannabis is money out of her pocket. Drug Free America Foundation was founded by shopping mall developers. If kids spent all their disposable income on cannabis, they were screwed. Their malls would have withered up long ago.
The ulterior motives of prohibitionists are both laughable and scary. It’s sad that such an organization, which obviously is not concerned with true science, would receive federal funding. OUR tax dollars for nothing but lies! Outrageous! Even if you are an American who does not partake in cannabis, I suspect you still would like policies and your tax dollars spent based on scientific facts and not the ulterior motives of special interests that stand to benefit from prohibition. Industries such as privatized prisons are one of the few growth industries in this economy. America must choose to stop effectively taking people out of society for life by criminally prosecuting drug users rather than treatment.
October 21st, 2009 at 10:12 pm
I thought false testimony was illegal!They will not do a fair argument because it might actually have an effect. Our ‘leaders’ know what they are doing in keeping all forms(even hemp) of cannabis prohibited. Think of all the industries that would be debased by legalization. Private prisons,guards, probation officers, drug testing companies. anything that can be made with petrolium can be made from cannabis in a way healthier to our planet and bodies. Pharmecutical drugs, alcohol and tobacco, and all the business they provide to health ins.companies and hospitals..!! There is too much big bussiness at stake to legalize something natural and so useful. SHAME
October 21st, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Calvina’s argument only strengthens our (the reformers) argument. This happens every time you hear or speak to an antimarijuana advocate. How more simple does it get?
ANSLINGERITES… BAH..BAH..BAH
Please if you are an antimarijuana advocate and you are reading this blog think about what you say and write. I CRAVE, CRAVE, CRAAAAAAAAVVVVVE!!!!!!!!!!! to hear a convincing argument against the medicinal (or complete) legalization of marijuana.
October 21st, 2009 at 11:16 pm
DRUG FREE AMERICA PROPAGANDA, WHO KNOWS WHAT THIS BIMBO DOES WHEN SHE GETS OFF WORK, MAYBE A LITTLE SNORT OF COKE OR HEROIN TO GET A MENTALITY LIKE THAT. MR. STROUP HAS RECIEVED THE SHORT OF THE STICK ON THIS INTERVIEW. TO THE BIMBO, SHE SHOULD WIPE THAT SNYDLEY WHIPLASH SMIRK OFF HER FACE LIKE SHE KNOWS IT ALL. ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, I WOULD LIKE TO BE IN A PUBLIC DEBATE WITH THESE MORONS, ON A STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL AND GIVE THEM A RUN ON WHICH MARIJUANA PROHIBITION DOES NOT WORK. ANY TAKERS? 420 ALL THE WAY! AND BY THE WAY, DON’T THINK THAT THE AUTHORITARIANS DON’T CHECK OUT THE NORML WEBSITE FOR US RADICALS, BECAUSE THEY DO. REMEMBER BIG BROTHER TECHNOLOGY IS WATCHING US. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, THEY CAN KISS MY BIG POLISH-GERMAN ASS.
October 21st, 2009 at 11:37 pm
I can’t understand how dumb ass people are still allowed to give an opinion on national tv, I vote for a law against that!!! UNREALL
October 21st, 2009 at 11:39 pm
I can’t believe CNN gave that old crow so much time to spew those lies all over TV. She’s an old bat that’s no longer credible or relevant.
She just wants to keep collecting that salary from the organization…..she’s really just fighting to try to keep her job…….hopefully she’ll lose it for all those lives and families she’s ruined.
Calvina Fay has been a TERRORIST to Freedom and the American People!!!!
October 21st, 2009 at 11:41 pm
DFA ALL THE WAY, thats the motto I heard the other day. I think its kind of funny that that they worry about taxes above all else.
October 21st, 2009 at 11:55 pm
The people out there that can’t see what this is all about will never understand because they are programed like that. They only know one way and can’t be shown the light. They are so dam stupid it makes me crazy. The way i see it, we have been doing it their way for far too long and it has ruined this country. I think all yuppies should step down just like they due to their wives, and put some real men in congress. Men who’s wives obey the man, not the other way around. How can you make rules and laws for all of us? When you don’t even have a say when you walk through your front door? Ha Ha Ha Smarten up, the easiest way out is running straight up all your asses, you been bent over so much you can’t even feel it! Stop waisting our money on a drug war, against pot, that you can’t ever win. If you can’t see that, then you help prove my point. STEP DOWN NOW!!!!
October 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 am
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October 22nd, 2009 at 1:55 am
It’s ok Keith we all know what you were trying to say and Mrs. Fey is just living in her own world. She is spreading her propaganda lies so she can keep her crummy job. Mrs Fay talks if she herself has been in law enforcement and completely dismissed Neill’s statements as if he didn’t know what he was talking about. When in reality he has the most experience dealing with law enforcement and the persecution of innocent marijuana users. I swear, he should have cut her off a long time ago and let Keith talk some sense to the people, instead of letting Mrs. Fey spread her useless propaganda.
CM
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 am
COME ON CNN!
Who was that amateur running the show that gave the ex-cop (who, even though was in favor of decriminalization, wasn’t really a good speaker) the last word over Keith Stroup?????? In fact, why even have the third guy on and keep it between the representatives of both sides? I felt Keith’s pain when he wasn’t allowed to respond to all the BS right at the end from that (#*$ Calvina. The little time Keith got was great, but the show was poorly run and could (should) have gone on for at least twice the time.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 am
It’s funny to see all these angry posts about the woman from the DFAF. I know they’re justifiably angry, but we need to keep our cool, like keith did. Although it’s unfortunate the major networks don’t give legitimate marijuana activists fair air time, America will eventually become better educated and informed through the notable debates organizations like NORML partake in. The American public has been lied to about marijuana for almost 80 years now. And the liars have gotten their way so far because they had told their shameful myths and misinformation mostly in the dark and behind closed doors where the public could not see them, debate them, or call out their lies. But now, we live in a massively connected world where people can easily seek out the truth for themselves. It’s only a matter of time now before marijuana is legalized and all the pitiful organizations and institutions like the Drug Free America Foundation get their BS turned around on them, shunning them from any recognizable relevance to this world as we know it. The fastest way to ward off these liars is to call them on their misinformation and spread the truth and actuality about marijuana to as many different people, places, and institutions as possible, as fast as possible and as reliably as possible.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 am
That woman is so stupid, i hope she gets cancer, so she can apply for medical marijuana.
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 am
I just sneezed. No really I did… I’m probably allergic to the lie’s that she is spreading to our People of America.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 am
WOW that lady cant take a hint!!
Hey lady, listen: for a drug free america you would have to get rid of 90%? of the population. are you crazy?
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:41 am
I agree with many of the posts here. This woman is clueless. How many times have kids been used as shields to defend bad policy “PLLEEEEEZE, won’t SOMEONE think of the children?”. She knows that the American people do not support her or her organization, and this is just making her an unhappy bitch.
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:37 am
I just wanted to add a voice to the chorus. If Calvina represents the best that the prohibitionists can offer, then it’s a sign that prohibition is in it’s last throes. She would make a great stand-up comic on SNL…she wouldn’t have to change a line. Especially hilarious is the notion that drug cartels would still be in business after legalization. I would love to see a skit with that scenario. Especially sad is that she seems to actually believe the crap she spews. Funny and sad. What a clown.
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:50 am
Teach your children well, Jury Nullification will change the way government operates, it will change the law to the will of the people.
Don’t forget to let your seeds fly this spring. There are lots of government plants in every city in the US.
October 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I’m dieing to hear what Mr. Stroup wanted to say. It was obvious that he REALLY wanted to put that lady in her place. I’m wondering if there’s any way Mr. Stroup could post his would-be response here for us. I know you don’t need it but you completely have my permission to post the response here since there’s no reason to create a new page for it. Many thanks for your work by the way.
Jesse (Aspiring Hippy)
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Mr. Lane…you are most deffinately not a doctor, or a scientist, neither are you a half way decent reporter.
What you are sir, is a violator of the Data Quality Act, and you are required by that Act to correct the false information you have just disseminated. By the way sir, if you’ve never had any experience with medicinal cannabis, you’re quite simply talking out of your hat, with less of a valid point, which I’m surprised nobody noticed with that hat off.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
does she really think that if cannabis were legal, that we would still buy from the illegal drug cartels ? what is wrong with that picture. i know personally having my choice to support a tax payin american and pay more or someone from over the border and pay less…..i would support america hands down. its part of what this is all about…..i hope we can find a way to help the people that dont know to see that.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
To Calvina Fay and all the other prohibitionists:
1) Stop lying. Just stop it.
2) The gateway theory has been proven and is false. I was drinking beer and smoking cigarettes at least a year before I tried cannabis. I have no desire to try any drug that came out of a lab.
3) Shut the fuck up about “the children”. When cannabis is legal and regulated, only people over the age of 21 years will have to show ID to purchase it. Black market dealers don’t ask for ID. Businesses will lose their licenses and the business or cashier that sold cannabis to the minors will be fired, fined and possibly jailed.
4) Mexican drug cartels will get out of the cannabis business. Is the mafia still in the alcohol business since alcohol prohibition was repealed?
5) I can get just as hammered on alcohol as I can get stoned with cannabis. Why is it legal to possess the one that makes me puke, give me a hangover and turn me into an asshole? Why is it illegal to possess the one that makes me happy and peaceful without the effects of a hangover?
6) Shut up. Just shut the fuck up.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Can no longer view. That didn’t take long. From the responses I can tell that it was one filled with misinformation from opposition.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
The video is no longer available. What is this about? Do they only leave these video’s up for less than 24 hours regularly? Or is this due to pressure from pro-prohibitionists to remove anything from the public eye that is pro-legalization? This doesn’t sit right with me, and i really wanted to see this video.
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
If we make marijuana legal then the IRS won’t tax it and the Grow Companys will pay all their taxes to the MEXICAN TERRIORTS AND IT WILL BE 9/11 ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND REMEBER KIDS IF YOU SMOKE MARIJUANA THEN YOU GO TO HELL BECAUSE MARAJUNA IS A DEVIL’S HERB
Alchol is ok though once you’re 21.
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For anyone that didn’t get it… of the above was sarcasm; as it is impossible for me to take anything a prohibitionist says seriusly.
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
I completely agree with “Don E”’s comment that prohibitionist logic is quite humorous. I find it so funny, that I would like to see some stand up comedians trying to act like prohibitionists.
It’s to bad though that they’re so serious about these insane laws that people do actually go to jail and prison..
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Guess What! It looks as though CNN took the Video Down and it is NOT available.I watched the original Broadcast though. Are they getting more Biased on us now?
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Heres part of the video. The channel has lots of other good videos too:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3MLPr37OFDc
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:41 am
HURRAH FOR YOUTUBES
Here is the clip from CNN if you missed it!
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vj0b00UTHE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zRPjv4liII
October 25th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
The prohibitionist logic really makes me question the education system in place today. With the system spitting people like these idiots out, did I even get a decent education myself?!??
Here’s a typical thought process for prohibitionist idiots:
1. Drugs are bad mmkay.. (this thought rules all)
2. Whoever sells these drugs are bad to mmkay.. (2nd in command)
3. If drugs are bad and people who sell drug is bad then…. um…………… if we sell drugs we’re bad to RIGHT!
4. MARAJUNA IS a drug so…. Drug= bad and bad= JAIL TIME FOR BAD
5. Keep bureaucratic government job
6. Rinse and repeat
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Attempting to shove some reasonable logic in this rinsed and repeated cycle often results in
a. them lying their way out of it(most popular)
b. being called a drug junkie(happens all the time)
c. playing stupid and denying everything (victory for you)
Eventually if we get enough c options, then we can convince people that we don’t live a fairy tale world where everyone is sober 24/7 and drug cartels and violence is not a problem because of marijuana criminalization.
October 26th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
is that the only woman they can find to do live interviews supporting prohibition? she’s on like every debate i’ve seen!!!
oh wait, except the one where it was ron paul vs. alec baldwin.
how is this not legal yet?
November 18th, 2009 at 7:51 am
62 is right….. the truth is out there its a fact as per government archives that it was made illegal through lies and manipulation for subversive motives namely greed…. and yet people are still respected in the past 30 40 years even TODAY that try and cling to these lies and vaguely speak out against it, science and history have proven that this plant is a miraculous healer and an integral part of human culture and creation(hemp)