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	<title>Comments on: California Supreme Court: State&#8217;s Marijuana Possession Limits Are A Floor, Not A Ceiling</title>
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		<title>By: km</title>
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		<dc:creator>km</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have been brutally murdered over a hamburger also since you have asked to be enlightened. Mankind is a violent member of the animal kingdom. So while you are being so defending of your right to be righteous, let us put it out there that murder occurs out of power, hunger, anger, &amp; fear not just MJ. I say to you again let us not be naive about why murder occurs. For your info I did at one time strap boots on and fight the bad guys, have you? Oh and Carlos perhaps people south of the boarder could be more active in cleaning up their country instead of fleeing to ours, complaining of the rights they do not have unless you have become a legal citizen. We pay our taxes while others get their children educated and their families health care and people are murdered while others flee over our boarders, what about that violence, what about the families of our boarder patrol that live without a murdered family memeber. So when you want to speak of murder and the reasons why it occurs lets just open the whole subject up for discussion, not just one part of it. Legalization would give the drug king pins competition they did not have before and a larger protection force to fight with. Crack a history book and you will learn that in the United States drugs were not illegal until 1928. If MJ is legalized across the USA than all those people who flee here for work picking crops will have another crop to pick, thus creating more jobs for those who tell us they deserve the same rights that we the citizens have &amp; then send the money they make out of the country. How about this why doesn&#039;t America extend our boarders to the top of South America and there will be no more fleeing. Our police force can police it all. In conclusion Mexico&#039;s president just got done meeting with ours to ask for help. Yes this is a major problem, violence and murder, but remember this is not a problem that you alone own. I quit because of the violence and the laws but that has not done anything for the severe pain my medical condition causes me.So perhaps you should &quot; just shut up&quot; Remember the whole world runs on money &amp; power backed by the violence to get the job done, it is how most governments get their citizens to comply.By the way Carlos I grew up in a crime town filled with the organized element. I know all well and good how it all goes, so know who you are calling naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have been brutally murdered over a hamburger also since you have asked to be enlightened. Mankind is a violent member of the animal kingdom. So while you are being so defending of your right to be righteous, let us put it out there that murder occurs out of power, hunger, anger, &amp; fear not just MJ. I say to you again let us not be naive about why murder occurs. For your info I did at one time strap boots on and fight the bad guys, have you? Oh and Carlos perhaps people south of the boarder could be more active in cleaning up their country instead of fleeing to ours, complaining of the rights they do not have unless you have become a legal citizen. We pay our taxes while others get their children educated and their families health care and people are murdered while others flee over our boarders, what about that violence, what about the families of our boarder patrol that live without a murdered family memeber. So when you want to speak of murder and the reasons why it occurs lets just open the whole subject up for discussion, not just one part of it. Legalization would give the drug king pins competition they did not have before and a larger protection force to fight with. Crack a history book and you will learn that in the United States drugs were not illegal until 1928. If MJ is legalized across the USA than all those people who flee here for work picking crops will have another crop to pick, thus creating more jobs for those who tell us they deserve the same rights that we the citizens have &amp; then send the money they make out of the country. How about this why doesn&#8217;t America extend our boarders to the top of South America and there will be no more fleeing. Our police force can police it all. In conclusion Mexico&#8217;s president just got done meeting with ours to ask for help. Yes this is a major problem, violence and murder, but remember this is not a problem that you alone own. I quit because of the violence and the laws but that has not done anything for the severe pain my medical condition causes me.So perhaps you should &#8221; just shut up&#8221; Remember the whole world runs on money &amp; power backed by the violence to get the job done, it is how most governments get their citizens to comply.By the way Carlos I grew up in a crime town filled with the organized element. I know all well and good how it all goes, so know who you are calling naive.</p>
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		<title>By: carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 05:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love when naive people accuse others of being naive. Tell the family in antioch that was victim of a home invasion that there is no violence associated with MJ. A man and his wife were shot to hell protecting their children and mj. He had a card and was growing. Thy were targeted by killers. Tell the kid shot in the face at knoll park for a dime bag that there is no violence involved. Tell the people who are decapitated or shot and killed along the Mexican borders. You are Monday a morning quarterback. Please &quot;enlighten me&quot;. Haha. Prescription pills? The drug cartels main money source is mj. It does not matter if it is legal or not. People will always die for the profit, even the regulated profit. You can quote stats from polls and skewed and unrealistic studies all day, but ill you strap on some boots and fight bad guys at the level I speak of, just shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love when naive people accuse others of being naive. Tell the family in antioch that was victim of a home invasion that there is no violence associated with MJ. A man and his wife were shot to hell protecting their children and mj. He had a card and was growing. Thy were targeted by killers. Tell the kid shot in the face at knoll park for a dime bag that there is no violence involved. Tell the people who are decapitated or shot and killed along the Mexican borders. You are Monday a morning quarterback. Please &#8220;enlighten me&#8221;. Haha. Prescription pills? The drug cartels main money source is mj. It does not matter if it is legal or not. People will always die for the profit, even the regulated profit. You can quote stats from polls and skewed and unrealistic studies all day, but ill you strap on some boots and fight bad guys at the level I speak of, just shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you are complaining about all the violence surrounding MJ as you put it, I didn&#039;t see mention of all the other types of drug enforcement. You are naive to think that this is such a problem when the majority of those statistics are for cases in which other drugs are involved. To enlighten you the majority of drug use among young people is NOT MJ it is with prescription pills that they steal off of their parents. Do us all a favor and take a good hard look at the damage that alcohol and alcoholism causes, yet it is legal. Those who drink are just as immoral and reckless as your above stated claims. Let s see if law enforcement can give up their alcohol. Alcoholism runs rampant in the law enforcement community because it is legal. Now let&#039;s stop fooling ourselves, case in point those who drink the only reason you can is because it is the 1 controlled substance that is decriminalized right now. It is however on the schedule of controlled substances. This Bud s for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you are complaining about all the violence surrounding MJ as you put it, I didn&#8217;t see mention of all the other types of drug enforcement. You are naive to think that this is such a problem when the majority of those statistics are for cases in which other drugs are involved. To enlighten you the majority of drug use among young people is NOT MJ it is with prescription pills that they steal off of their parents. Do us all a favor and take a good hard look at the damage that alcohol and alcoholism causes, yet it is legal. Those who drink are just as immoral and reckless as your above stated claims. Let s see if law enforcement can give up their alcohol. Alcoholism runs rampant in the law enforcement community because it is legal. Now let&#8217;s stop fooling ourselves, case in point those who drink the only reason you can is because it is the 1 controlled substance that is decriminalized right now. It is however on the schedule of controlled substances. This Bud s for you?</p>
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		<title>By: busted! - Page 26 - Marijuana Growing</title>
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		<dc:creator>busted! - Page 26 - Marijuana Growing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]     Professor......  You may want to do a little research yourself. California Supreme Court: State&#8217;s Marijuana Possession Limits Are A Floor!       __________________ L.O.W. T.H.C. starts with an imbalance in one of these; Light Oxygen Water [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]     Professor&#8230;&#8230;  You may want to do a little research yourself. California Supreme Court: State&#8217;s Marijuana Possession Limits Are A Floor!       __________________ L.O.W. T.H.C. starts with an imbalance in one of these; Light Oxygen Water [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets get real here people. The Law Enforcement community targets those who abuse the laws and hide behind medicinal perscriptions in order to make huge profits. They have no interest in its&#039; actually medicinal use. Are you forgetting how many people are killed everyday because of MJ and the money involved. Not everyone growing or selling is just a stoner promoting peace. People kill for the profit it brings. I&#039;ve seen it many times. And to think that officers carry out personal vendettas against drug dealers is obserd. They make a living and protect us from the violence that is a consequence from MJ&#039;s profit. Officers could care less if you want to get high. I agree legalizing MJ would quelsh a lot of the problem, but then it would be taxed, and people would complain about that. Lets give the officers a break. They are in general good people who do a dangerous job that 99% of us are afraid to do. If you want the laws to change, write congress, but don&#039;t expect a patrol officer or narcotics detective to be able to do that for you. They enforce laws. They don&#039;t make them. And for the guy who had a large grow in his house where his children live, don&#039;t you realize the danger of a home invasion and what kind of jeopardy that puts your family in? Come on!!!

[&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note: &lt;/strong&gt;Talk about get &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt;?! &lt;em&gt;People killed everyday because of marijuana and the money involved?&lt;/em&gt; Isn&#039;t that an argument against prohibition and for legally controlling cannabis?  

Who is fooling who here? 

Please don&#039;t embarrass yourself by claiming &#039;police don&#039;t make the laws&#039;, when the history, data and lobbying records clearly indicate that law enforcement--both while in uniform/on-the-clock and when in civilian mode as members of anti-cannabis/pro-law enforcement groups like Narcotics Officer&#039;s Association and the Chief Of Police Associations--do work just as hard to maintain cannabis prohibition as reformers do to end the failed policies.

All the feigned concern for a family where a cannabis plant is grown (like you care about a family with 500 Oxycontin pills, gallons of booze, cartons of cigarettes and the father makes his own beer...) and protecting the citizens from criminals CREATED by cannabis prohibition laws and its enforcement--not the profit from Prohibition! If there is violence driven by the criminal side as you claim, again, a prime argument for legalization, not prohibition.

Reformers have been peacefully and civilly working for cannabis law reforms for over five decades in the US, with millions of letters and now emails sent to elected policymakers, but, unfortunately, they illogically keep deferring to law enforcement&#039;s donations (even if only in the form of political support, which most politicians crave to receive) and wild-eyed opposition to needed cannabis law reforms.

The legalization initiatives in states like CA, WA, OR and NV are going to continue to expose the often naked self-interests of the supporters of the status quo and prohibition laws.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets get real here people. The Law Enforcement community targets those who abuse the laws and hide behind medicinal perscriptions in order to make huge profits. They have no interest in its&#8217; actually medicinal use. Are you forgetting how many people are killed everyday because of MJ and the money involved. Not everyone growing or selling is just a stoner promoting peace. People kill for the profit it brings. I&#8217;ve seen it many times. And to think that officers carry out personal vendettas against drug dealers is obserd. They make a living and protect us from the violence that is a consequence from MJ&#8217;s profit. Officers could care less if you want to get high. I agree legalizing MJ would quelsh a lot of the problem, but then it would be taxed, and people would complain about that. Lets give the officers a break. They are in general good people who do a dangerous job that 99% of us are afraid to do. If you want the laws to change, write congress, but don&#8217;t expect a patrol officer or narcotics detective to be able to do that for you. They enforce laws. They don&#8217;t make them. And for the guy who had a large grow in his house where his children live, don&#8217;t you realize the danger of a home invasion and what kind of jeopardy that puts your family in? Come on!!!</p>
<p>[<strong>Editor's note: </strong>Talk about get <em>real</em>?! <em>People killed everyday because of marijuana and the money involved?</em> Isn't that an argument against prohibition and for legally controlling cannabis?  </p>
<p>Who is fooling who here? </p>
<p>Please don't embarrass yourself by claiming 'police don't make the laws', when the history, data and lobbying records clearly indicate that law enforcement--both while in uniform/on-the-clock and when in civilian mode as members of anti-cannabis/pro-law enforcement groups like Narcotics Officer's Association and the Chief Of Police Associations--do work just as hard to maintain cannabis prohibition as reformers do to end the failed policies.</p>
<p>All the feigned concern for a family where a cannabis plant is grown (like you care about a family with 500 Oxycontin pills, gallons of booze, cartons of cigarettes and the father makes his own beer...) and protecting the citizens from criminals CREATED by cannabis prohibition laws and its enforcement--not the profit from Prohibition! If there is violence driven by the criminal side as you claim, again, a prime argument for legalization, not prohibition.</p>
<p>Reformers have been peacefully and civilly working for cannabis law reforms for over five decades in the US, with millions of letters and now emails sent to elected policymakers, but, unfortunately, they illogically keep deferring to law enforcement's donations (even if only in the form of political support, which most politicians crave to receive) and wild-eyed opposition to needed cannabis law reforms.</p>
<p>The legalization initiatives in states like CA, WA, OR and NV are going to continue to expose the often naked self-interests of the supporters of the status quo and prohibition laws.]</p>
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		<title>By: yankee2</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankee2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, STRICT limits on the amount of marijuana that a single person can possess should not be set. If it is reasonable for an adult to possess one ounce of pot, what is so wrong with possessing 2 ounces, in case the crop fails? And if we are permitted to grow 25 square feet of marijuana, how does that, or even a single plant, keep to that limit? A single plant might weigh what, a pound or two? That should be an acceptable amount to possess. Pot smokers don&#039;t smoke more pot just because they possess more. And in a world where a personal supply is reasonably inexpensive, the black market market will dry up. Excess stock will not be sold there. Unlike our oppressors with their alcohol, we don&#039;t usually smoke to excess, either.

The Capitalist establishment objects to pot, and schemes to restrict it as much as possible, because they cannot patent it, possess it (as a product), and ruthlessly exploit it for outsize profits. It is a cheap material which might cut deeply into their exorbitant PATENTABLE profits from plastics, fibers and pharmaceutical drugs. They reject it for the same reason they reject anything they can&#039;t turn to their own, private advantage. It&#039;s about time we throw off this oppression. 

But that&#039;s only part of the story. They are supported by bigots who reject marijuana because it is popular with Blacks, Mexicans and hippies, groups which they object to and seek to punish, as much for their different clothing, customs and mores, as for fear of harm from the drug. Prohibition is an act of discrimination.

We must be sure to win the November initiative in California. That will be the foot in the door which will lead to legalization in other states, and eventually to the reform of the federal laws. That will be a tipping point to an America that is finally as free as it has claimed to be all these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, STRICT limits on the amount of marijuana that a single person can possess should not be set. If it is reasonable for an adult to possess one ounce of pot, what is so wrong with possessing 2 ounces, in case the crop fails? And if we are permitted to grow 25 square feet of marijuana, how does that, or even a single plant, keep to that limit? A single plant might weigh what, a pound or two? That should be an acceptable amount to possess. Pot smokers don&#8217;t smoke more pot just because they possess more. And in a world where a personal supply is reasonably inexpensive, the black market market will dry up. Excess stock will not be sold there. Unlike our oppressors with their alcohol, we don&#8217;t usually smoke to excess, either.</p>
<p>The Capitalist establishment objects to pot, and schemes to restrict it as much as possible, because they cannot patent it, possess it (as a product), and ruthlessly exploit it for outsize profits. It is a cheap material which might cut deeply into their exorbitant PATENTABLE profits from plastics, fibers and pharmaceutical drugs. They reject it for the same reason they reject anything they can&#8217;t turn to their own, private advantage. It&#8217;s about time we throw off this oppression. </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s only part of the story. They are supported by bigots who reject marijuana because it is popular with Blacks, Mexicans and hippies, groups which they object to and seek to punish, as much for their different clothing, customs and mores, as for fear of harm from the drug. Prohibition is an act of discrimination.</p>
<p>We must be sure to win the November initiative in California. That will be the foot in the door which will lead to legalization in other states, and eventually to the reform of the federal laws. That will be a tipping point to an America that is finally as free as it has claimed to be all these years.</p>
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		<title>By: cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can really feel for those of you who live where it isnt legal for medical use. 
i guess they would rather you be totally zoned out of your mind on pain killers that make it impossible to function on an everday basis. at least with marijuana you can control how medicated you want to be and still be a part of everyday life. pretty stupid to prefer citizens to be on prescription drugs like oxycotin which theyd much rather see you addicted to. at least I know I dont go thru withdrawals on marijuana and most often it puts you in a happy state instead of a bad one once your out of painkillers.not to mention if u could grow it yourself it might not cost you the small fortune being on prescription drugs. guess drug drug comp. would lose too much money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can really feel for those of you who live where it isnt legal for medical use.<br />
i guess they would rather you be totally zoned out of your mind on pain killers that make it impossible to function on an everday basis. at least with marijuana you can control how medicated you want to be and still be a part of everyday life. pretty stupid to prefer citizens to be on prescription drugs like oxycotin which theyd much rather see you addicted to. at least I know I dont go thru withdrawals on marijuana and most often it puts you in a happy state instead of a bad one once your out of painkillers.not to mention if u could grow it yourself it might not cost you the small fortune being on prescription drugs. guess drug drug comp. would lose too much money.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KH thanks for the input</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KH thanks for the input</p>
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		<title>By: KH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 &quot;So if you own a collective you have 40 members, you end up with 20 lbs of medicine from them, the police come in and bust you, saying they consider it to much, is their argument now mute? Your collective is following california guidelines, and all members have a valid Medical card and script. This is the issue, my collective is presently facing.&quot;
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No.
What this rules does do however is give you back a defense. The judge or jury can still rule it&#039;s &quot;an unreasonable&quot; amount.  What the DA&#039;s office can&#039;t do is say you violated the state law of 8oz or whatever, they now have to claim &quot;unreasonable&quot;.  The court has basically said the state law is not allowed to defined &quot;reasonable&quot; it&#039;s now up to the courts. 

Net result - a lot of borderline cases will be dropped at the DA level, but the arrests will probably continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 &#8220;So if you own a collective you have 40 members, you end up with 20 lbs of medicine from them, the police come in and bust you, saying they consider it to much, is their argument now mute? Your collective is following california guidelines, and all members have a valid Medical card and script. This is the issue, my collective is presently facing.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;-</p>
<p>No.<br />
What this rules does do however is give you back a defense. The judge or jury can still rule it&#8217;s &#8220;an unreasonable&#8221; amount.  What the DA&#8217;s office can&#8217;t do is say you violated the state law of 8oz or whatever, they now have to claim &#8220;unreasonable&#8221;.  The court has basically said the state law is not allowed to defined &#8220;reasonable&#8221; it&#8217;s now up to the courts. </p>
<p>Net result &#8211; a lot of borderline cases will be dropped at the DA level, but the arrests will probably continue.</p>
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		<title>By: KH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hopefully this will help NJ with the 2 ounces per month limit on our new law.&quot;
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Sorry, this decision will have zero effect on the recently passed law in NJ as it relates to NJ 2oz per month limits. You should be thankful it was not the 1oz originally in the bill.  There will be no material changes to the NJ bill for the next couple years, bank on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hopefully this will help NJ with the 2 ounces per month limit on our new law.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Sorry, this decision will have zero effect on the recently passed law in NJ as it relates to NJ 2oz per month limits. You should be thankful it was not the 1oz originally in the bill.  There will be no material changes to the NJ bill for the next couple years, bank on it.</p>
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