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	<title>Comments on: Medical marijuana&#8217;s not getting any better &#8211; the time for RE-legalization is NOW!</title>
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		<title>By: stoner madness</title>
		<link>http://blog.norml.org/2010/03/03/medical-marijuanas-not-getting-any-better-the-time-for-re-legalization-is-now/comment-page-3/#comment-104424</link>
		<dc:creator>stoner madness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LEGALIZE IT !!!! IM TIRED OF HIDING FROM COPS WEED NEVER KILLED ANYBODY CIGARETTES KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND WEED NEVER ! LEGALIZE DUDE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LEGALIZE IT !!!! IM TIRED OF HIDING FROM COPS WEED NEVER KILLED ANYBODY CIGARETTES KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND WEED NEVER ! LEGALIZE DUDE</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://blog.norml.org/2010/03/03/medical-marijuanas-not-getting-any-better-the-time-for-re-legalization-is-now/comment-page-3/#comment-72321</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minnesota has a bill pending to allow our farmers to grow and export mmj to med mar states but we cant smoke it, wtf is up with that?  (added by Mobile using &lt;a href=&quot;http://mippin.com/?ref=commentposting&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mippin&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minnesota has a bill pending to allow our farmers to grow and export mmj to med mar states but we cant smoke it, wtf is up with that?  (added by Mobile using <a href="http://mippin.com/?ref=commentposting" rel="nofollow">Mippin</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody knows its time for positive change:reschedule, decriminalize, educate---------&gt;FREE THE WEED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody knows its time for positive change:reschedule, decriminalize, educate&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&gt;FREE THE WEED</p>
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		<title>By: Medical marijuana’s not getting any better – the time for RE-legalization is NOW! &#124; Texas NORML</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medical marijuana’s not getting any better – the time for RE-legalization is NOW! &#124; Texas NORML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] By: Russ Belville, NORML Outreach Coordinator [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I travel from Texas to another state to see a doctor that will
medially prescribe me? Im not able to find any doctors in Texas willing
or that deals with Medical Marijuana

&lt;em&gt;[Russ responds: Only if you establish residency in that state.  And you can only use medically if you stay in that state; a card from any state won&#039;t help you in Texas.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I travel from Texas to another state to see a doctor that will<br />
medially prescribe me? Im not able to find any doctors in Texas willing<br />
or that deals with Medical Marijuana</p>
<p><em>[Russ responds: Only if you establish residency in that state.  And you can only use medically if you stay in that state; a card from any state won't help you in Texas.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad that I live in California, where it&#039;s most likely going to be legalized this year. I can&#039;t wait to vote yes for re-legalization this November. I&#039;m also excited to get my doctor&#039;s recommendation this Friday and I&#039;m also getting a new bong/water pipe right afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad that I live in California, where it&#8217;s most likely going to be legalized this year. I can&#8217;t wait to vote yes for re-legalization this November. I&#8217;m also excited to get my doctor&#8217;s recommendation this Friday and I&#8217;m also getting a new bong/water pipe right afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: La marihuana medicinal no está mejorando - el tiempo de re-legalización es ahora!</title>
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		<dc:creator>La marihuana medicinal no está mejorando - el tiempo de re-legalización es ahora!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Actualización del autor: los gráficos en el puesto a continuación se han actualizado para corregir algunos errores de menor importancia, tales como la información de fecha, que dejó fuera de Rhode Island y Maine, dispensarios y la reciente aceptación de Oregon de la agitación de Alzheimer como una condición de calificación. Además, he esbozado intento de Oregon en la legalización a través de la petición OCTA, ya que podría [. . . ] URL del art&#237;culo original http://blog.norml.org/2010/03/03/medical-marijuanas-not-getting-any-better-the-time-for-re-legalizat... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Actualización del autor: los gráficos en el puesto a continuación se han actualizado para corregir algunos errores de menor importancia, tales como la información de fecha, que dejó fuera de Rhode Island y Maine, dispensarios y la reciente aceptación de Oregon de la agitación de Alzheimer como una condición de calificación. Además, he esbozado intento de Oregon en la legalización a través de la petición OCTA, ya que podría [. . . ] URL del art&iacute;culo original <a href="http://blog.norml.org/2010/03/03/medical-marijuanas-not-getting-any-better-the-time-for-re-legalizat.." rel="nofollow">http://blog.norml.org/2010/03/03/medical-marijuanas-not-getting-any-better-the-time-for-re-legalizat..</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Allen St. Pierre, NORML Executive Director</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen St. Pierre, NORML Executive Director</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello John,

Thanks for your reply email.

1) I stand corrected re for-profit dispensaries. However the confusion re &quot;non-profit&quot; dispensaries is exactly what is going on in California and Colorado.  A recent dispensary owner in Hollywood commented on NORML&#039;s podcast &#039;The Stash&#039; about how his non-profit was paying him a salary of $10,000-$20,000 per MONTH.  Hard for most of us to believe &quot;non-profit&quot; when that&#039;s more than most for-profit doctors and pharmacists make--combined.

2) So...you want to give those same profit-driven growers a storefront now? Why? What have they done to earn the respect and trust of the medical cannabis community with their $70 &#039;eighths&#039;?

3) True, legislatures are going to craft more conservative mmj bills.  When they do so, they readily cite the abuses of California (and Colorado, somewhat) as the prime reason for their cautious concerns.

Also,even with the citizen initiatives passed between 1999-2008, they average only 7.4 plants and 1.8 ounces possession limit; four cover only 3 of the 5 basic rights, and three cover only the &quot;Big 8&quot; conditions with no extra conditions, so even the people who are so ahead of the politicians are dialing back medical marijuana laws.

4) Unfortunately, from NORML&#039;s perspective, the larger effort to legalize cannabis is being somewhat balkanized by some medical cannabis-only advocates and some cannabusinessess who, happy with the political gains and &#039;legal&#039; profits provided to them by the multi-decade advocacy efforts of the so-called &#039;legalizers&#039;, project to their supporters, media and elected policy makers that they&#039;re only for adult citizens having access to cannabis via the permission of a physician.

This is the dreaded &#039;boxed canyon&#039; presented by medical cannabis law reforms to citizens and policymakers who favor total legalization, rather than medicalization. 

I agree that passing new mmj laws is critical, but I disagree about constantly &quot;improving&quot; the existing laws.  With seemingly every session, the Oregon legislature&#039;s &quot;restrict mmj&quot; bills always outnumber the
&quot;improve mmj&quot; bills.  If a dispensary initiative passes, I can see AOI and LEO lobbying hard for stricter doctor/patient rules and stricter evaluation
of &quot;chronic pain&quot;.  I can already hear Dan Harmon saying &quot;Well, now that the legitimate mmj patients have a place to access medicine, they don&#039;t really
need 24 plants and 24 ounces anymore, do they?&quot;  

Any &quot;improvement&quot; is going to come with horse trading and compromise - 

I wish I concurred with you re the availability of medical cannabis seriously changing public attitudes in favor of full legalization.

However, medical marijuana isn&#039;t convincing people that responsible healthy adults should be able to use cannabis, it is convincing people that sick and disabled people should be exempted from the otherwise vexing and acceptable policy of arresting, prosecuting and incarcerating healthy people.

NORML is all for broad coalitions of groups and people who have the best interests of the marijuana consumer in mind--but not necessarily the needs and wants of cannabis producers or sellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello John,</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply email.</p>
<p>1) I stand corrected re for-profit dispensaries. However the confusion re &#8220;non-profit&#8221; dispensaries is exactly what is going on in California and Colorado.  A recent dispensary owner in Hollywood commented on NORML&#8217;s podcast &#8216;The Stash&#8217; about how his non-profit was paying him a salary of $10,000-$20,000 per MONTH.  Hard for most of us to believe &#8220;non-profit&#8221; when that&#8217;s more than most for-profit doctors and pharmacists make&#8211;combined.</p>
<p>2) So&#8230;you want to give those same profit-driven growers a storefront now? Why? What have they done to earn the respect and trust of the medical cannabis community with their $70 &#8216;eighths&#8217;?</p>
<p>3) True, legislatures are going to craft more conservative mmj bills.  When they do so, they readily cite the abuses of California (and Colorado, somewhat) as the prime reason for their cautious concerns.</p>
<p>Also,even with the citizen initiatives passed between 1999-2008, they average only 7.4 plants and 1.8 ounces possession limit; four cover only 3 of the 5 basic rights, and three cover only the &#8220;Big 8&#8243; conditions with no extra conditions, so even the people who are so ahead of the politicians are dialing back medical marijuana laws.</p>
<p>4) Unfortunately, from NORML&#8217;s perspective, the larger effort to legalize cannabis is being somewhat balkanized by some medical cannabis-only advocates and some cannabusinessess who, happy with the political gains and &#8216;legal&#8217; profits provided to them by the multi-decade advocacy efforts of the so-called &#8216;legalizers&#8217;, project to their supporters, media and elected policy makers that they&#8217;re only for adult citizens having access to cannabis via the permission of a physician.</p>
<p>This is the dreaded &#8216;boxed canyon&#8217; presented by medical cannabis law reforms to citizens and policymakers who favor total legalization, rather than medicalization. </p>
<p>I agree that passing new mmj laws is critical, but I disagree about constantly &#8220;improving&#8221; the existing laws.  With seemingly every session, the Oregon legislature&#8217;s &#8220;restrict mmj&#8221; bills always outnumber the<br />
&#8220;improve mmj&#8221; bills.  If a dispensary initiative passes, I can see AOI and LEO lobbying hard for stricter doctor/patient rules and stricter evaluation<br />
of &#8220;chronic pain&#8221;.  I can already hear Dan Harmon saying &#8220;Well, now that the legitimate mmj patients have a place to access medicine, they don&#8217;t really<br />
need 24 plants and 24 ounces anymore, do they?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Any &#8220;improvement&#8221; is going to come with horse trading and compromise &#8211; </p>
<p>I wish I concurred with you re the availability of medical cannabis seriously changing public attitudes in favor of full legalization.</p>
<p>However, medical marijuana isn&#8217;t convincing people that responsible healthy adults should be able to use cannabis, it is convincing people that sick and disabled people should be exempted from the otherwise vexing and acceptable policy of arresting, prosecuting and incarcerating healthy people.</p>
<p>NORML is all for broad coalitions of groups and people who have the best interests of the marijuana consumer in mind&#8211;but not necessarily the needs and wants of cannabis producers or sellers.</p>
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		<title>By: Freedom: Right or Wrong &#124; Free Market Mojo</title>
		<link>http://blog.norml.org/2010/03/03/medical-marijuanas-not-getting-any-better-the-time-for-re-legalization-is-now/comment-page-2/#comment-71799</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom: Right or Wrong &#124; Free Market Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the NORML Blog: &#8230;over 82 million Americans now live in states where medical use of marijuana is legal – [...]</description>
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		<title>By: chronjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>chronjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Russ. We need to legalize asap and stop focusing so much on medical legislation. Because the medical legislation, right out the gate, is hindered by prohibition. It has too many restrictions which treat cannabis like a dangerous drug, not the benign herb it is. We need though, to not only talk about recreational users when we talk about legalization. We need to talk about the other infinitely large industries that will emerge when cannabis is legalized: Industrial hemp, cannabinoid medicines, cannabis paraphernalia, and advertising. Hemp alone is definitely going to be even more valuable an industry than the recreational use itself- why is this never taken into account? Where are some hypothetical figures on the size of these industries? Because when states hear about the possible revenues from taxing recreational sales, sure they&#039;re impressive. But they aren&#039;t the whole picture. And I think we should show them that picture.
As far as the argument being that &quot;powerful and effective medicine&quot; should be heavily regulated, well we can debate our ways out of that corner. First off, yes cannabis is powerful and effective but as far as negative consequences resulting from its use, it&#039;s rather benign. And this is the goddamn United States of America! We should have the freedom to do whatever we want with our own bodies. That will be my argument til the day I die. Anyone who disagrees is a fascist fuck who will get no respect or acknowledgment from me. We can do this! We just have to make sure that all our arguments are concrete (which they are) and make our case to the public, in editorials and news segments all across the country. Use the propaganda machine for our own purposes. Hell CBS finally let you use their billboard! We can do this! Re-legalize cannabis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Russ. We need to legalize asap and stop focusing so much on medical legislation. Because the medical legislation, right out the gate, is hindered by prohibition. It has too many restrictions which treat cannabis like a dangerous drug, not the benign herb it is. We need though, to not only talk about recreational users when we talk about legalization. We need to talk about the other infinitely large industries that will emerge when cannabis is legalized: Industrial hemp, cannabinoid medicines, cannabis paraphernalia, and advertising. Hemp alone is definitely going to be even more valuable an industry than the recreational use itself- why is this never taken into account? Where are some hypothetical figures on the size of these industries? Because when states hear about the possible revenues from taxing recreational sales, sure they&#8217;re impressive. But they aren&#8217;t the whole picture. And I think we should show them that picture.<br />
As far as the argument being that &#8220;powerful and effective medicine&#8221; should be heavily regulated, well we can debate our ways out of that corner. First off, yes cannabis is powerful and effective but as far as negative consequences resulting from its use, it&#8217;s rather benign. And this is the goddamn United States of America! We should have the freedom to do whatever we want with our own bodies. That will be my argument til the day I die. Anyone who disagrees is a fascist fuck who will get no respect or acknowledgment from me. We can do this! We just have to make sure that all our arguments are concrete (which they are) and make our case to the public, in editorials and news segments all across the country. Use the propaganda machine for our own purposes. Hell CBS finally let you use their billboard! We can do this! Re-legalize cannabis!</p>
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